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Saw this in the local paper today. I'm not convinced it was an AD.



Charge dismissed in teen's shooting

Security guard still faces firearm trial

BY EMILY GURNON

Pioneer Press


A Ramsey County judge dismissed first-degree assault charges Monday against a 22-year-old security guard who shot an unarmed teenager suspected of stealing a car stereo.

Timothy Kenbert Engle of St. Paul still faces a charge of reckless discharge of a firearm, a felony. His trial on that charge began Monday before Judge George Stephenson after Engle waived his right to a jury trial.

In dismissing the assault charge, Stephenson noted that Engle had told police the November 2003 shooting of Hussein Musse, then 15, was accidental. The shooting, at an apartment building with many Somali residents, sparked criticism among Musse's family and some members of the Somali community, who said Engle's action was unwarranted.

Musse's injuries have left him paralyzed from the waist down.

Stephenson also said the defense presented evidence from a University of Colorado movement specialist, who wrote in an expert opinion that he believed Engle involuntarily pulled the trigger of his 9-mm Glock when he lost his balance.

The shooting took place when Engle — who is now studying to be a police officer — worked as a security guard with Wolf Protective Agency. A fellow guard working at the Skyline Tower, an apartment complex on St. Anthony Avenue, called for assistance when he saw what he thought was a young man trying to steal a car stereo.

When the person tried to flee in another car, Engle shot him in the back at close range, said Assistant County Attorney David Miller.
 
security guards should not be armed.
Why? Does their employment make them less deserving of being able to defend themselves than any other citizen?
Stephenson also said the defense presented evidence from a University of Colorado movement specialist, who wrote in an expert opinion that he believed Engle involuntarily pulled the trigger of his 9-mm Glock when he lost his balance.
That sounds like improper handling of the weapon, running about with ones finger on the trigger, if it is what actually occured.
 
Got what he deserved?...You have decided that the appropriate security guard imposed penalty for a teenager who is "maybe" stealing a car stereo is to be shot in the back?

I hope that isn't really what you think.
 
I dont know about anywhere else.. but around here the mere pointing a pistol or any weapon at a person is "aggravated assault" I assume finger on the trigger would be more serious. Shouldnt it have been finger on the radio button while running after the suspect while dispatching police?
 
Guess that kids life of crime has been nipped in the bud.

The security guard should get a medal.

I have had my car windows smashed and dash ripped apart by thieves trying
to get my car stereo multiple times.

My car is the means by which I put food on the table.

A criminal who is determined to destroy, steal or vandalize a persons means of providing for their family deserves to be shot on sight.
 
Why? Does their employment make them less deserving of being able to defend themselves than any other citizen?
its been my experience that the average security guard cannot be bothered to do their job correctly. i don't trust them to protect my life, nor do i trust them to protect my property. those are things i am responsible for.
 
its been my experience that the average security guard cannot be bothered to do their job correctly. i don't trust them to protect my life, nor do i trust them to protect my property. those are things i am responsible for.
Then don't hire one and don't go stealing stereo's on property that might hire a security guard. I hope you are just jesting Spacemanspiff as that is the same exact attitude that the anti-gunners have regarding our carrying of firearms for self-defense.
 
holy cow- can you say "JACK BOOTED THUGS?"

i hate thieves. really. so much that i go to the park and scream at them daily, and also take their stolen goods and smash em.

but shot in the back? over a stereo?
a beating, sure id love to hand him one, but paralyzed?

some of you really need to get a grip. hope you have no kids, and that kid never lifts ANYTHING. hope you NEVER break a LAW EVER.

and if you so much as exceed the speed limit, you should die too.
fair?

>>> Shouldnt it have been finger on the radio button while running after the suspect while dispatching police?<<<<<

YES.

ps- on public funds from now on, so thanks to this idiot security we get to fund this guy's habits from here on.
he won't be able to get a labor type job, so will most likely sell drugs, go to prison, and cost us all even more as a disabled con.

Good Work!
 
A criminal who is determined to destroy, steal or vandalize a persons means of providing for their family deserves to be shot on sight.
So that makes you judge, jury and executioner?
I really, really hope that posters making statements such as this do not truly believe that petty criminals deserve to have deadly force applied toward them ...

Theft, vandalism ... yes, it's all serious, and it's certainly sickening when it happens to you. But unless the lives of my wife or daughters -- or my life -- is threatened, I don't see the need to discharge my firearm at anyone. Certainly not at someone stealing my car stereo.
 
Certainly not at someone stealing my car stereo.
Difference of perspective, but that car stereo or what have you represent the portion of MY life spent working to obtain that item. Theft of the item is theft of that portion of my life. Sure, I could make an insurance claim, then I have to pay MORE of my life in higher insurance premiums.
 
its not exactly the same, rojo, because i do advocate that people take personal responsibility for their lives. anti's want everyone to be dependant on law enforcement for protection.
 
So that makes you judge, jury and executioner?

I really, really hope that posters making statements such as this do not truly believe that petty criminals deserve to have deadly force applied toward them ...

I do truly believe that there should be no tolerance for thieves, petty or any other. Fortunately I live in a state where I can defend my property with deadly force.

The stereo thief took his life into his own hands it was his choice.
 
called for assistance when he saw what he thought was a young man trying to steal a car stereo.
When the person tried to flee in another car, Engle shot him in the back at close range
The kid was 15, for cryin' out loud. It doesn't even appear to be established that he'd actually stolen anything! If you think his life sentence in a wheelchair is just punishment for the alleged attempted offense -- at such a young age -- I pity you.

Possessions are just that -- possessions. I'm as materialistic as the next guy (I love my stuff), but I'm not gonna kill someone for trying to take a car stereo. If your possessions are more important to you than the life of a child (even a misguided child with criminal intentions), well ...
Fortunately I live in a state where I can defend my property with deadly force.
No matter where you live, if you shoot someone in a fleeing vehicle who unsuccessfully tried to lift you car stereo, you have problems.

Sometimes I simply cannot believe the attitudes of some of the "High Roaders" when it comes to children and petty crime.
 
The kid was 15, for cryin' out loud. It doesn't even appear to be established that he'd actually stolen anything! If you think his life sentence in a wheelchair is just punishment for the alleged attempted offense -- at such a young age -- I pity you.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that he deserved that based on the severity of the offense. But back where I grew up we had idiot kids who would go out mess with folks horses and mules. Now I'm talking harmless (relatively) fun. Bad things would occassionally befall these kids. Hell, one of them got stomped to death by one of the mules. Did the kid deserve this fate? Probably not. But let's face it, bad things can result when you go out and do stupid or criminal things and sometimes someone winds up seriously hurt. That's life. And don't ask me to feel too sorry for him.
 
I wouldn't go as far as to say that he deserved that based on the severity of the offense. But back where I grew up we had idiot kids who would go out mess with folks horses and mules. Now I'm talking harmless (relatively) fun. Bad things would occassionally befall these kids. Hell, one of them got stomped to death by one of the mules. Did the kid deserve this fate? Probably not. But let's face it, bad things can result when you go out and do stupid or criminal things and sometimes someone winds up seriously hurt. That's life. And don't ask me to feel too sorry for him.

I know you didn't mean to, but you are justifying your reaction based on how a mule would handle the situation?

I do truly believe that there should be no tolerance for thieves, petty or any other. Fortunately I live in a state where I can defend my property with deadly force.

I am shock by the attitude of some of the responses. I do not have the right, moral or legal, to shoot a kid in the back because he dared to run a way from me when I think I might have seen him looking like he may have been trying to steal someone elses stereo. I think people who think this would be a legal shoot in Texas need to re-read the actual law.

I got ripped off by someone when I was 18. After a month of him making it clear he wasn't going to make it right i cardeed my way into his apartment and took a TV to settle the debt. At 17 a few of us had way too much Rum and broke a few headlights of some cars belonging to teachers that annoyed us. Both were risky but did I really deserve death for both? Is that really the best reaction people can come up with....shoot him? Pathetic.
 
The shooting, at an apartment building with many Somali residents, sparked criticism among Musse's family and some members of the Somali community, who said Engle's action was unwarranted.

If I got shot by him, what "community" would criticism be sparked from?


+1 on the punks criminal career coming to an abrubt end.
 
Anyone should have the right to do whatever is needed to prevent someone else from taking what they have.
Stealing is stealing, regardless of the item or value.
No one has the right to take what is yours except the government. They don't really have the right but it happens anyway.
 
i hate thieves. really. so much that i go to the park and scream at them daily, and also take their stolen goods and smash em.


So, you steal stolen goods and then destroy them. Why not take it to the police department so the rightful owners can get them back??? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Especially with your rant about hoping the rest of us never break any laws. Let's see...I've never stolen or accepted stolen goods, and then destroyed other peoples' property. Guess I'm one up on you, eh?

:cuss:
 
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