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Glock Perfection. Uhhh...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by RNB65, Feb 28, 2007.

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  1. RNB65

    RNB65 Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Richmond, VA

    I just HATE when that happens!

  2. SigfanUSAF

    SigfanUSAF Member

    Aug 26, 2006
    North Carolina
    Those are some stupid @$$ authorities. Funny, my Glocks have never fired themselves off......:confused:
  3. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    You know, if I could train my G19 to go off when necessary, I put out to patrol my house at night & bring it back in the morning :neener:
  4. Black Majik

    Black Majik Member

    Sep 13, 2003
    Orange County, California
    He musta been professional enough...
  5. candr44

    candr44 Member

    Feb 11, 2006
    Maybe they should give him one bullet to keep in his shirt pocket.
  6. michiganfan

    michiganfan Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    se michigan
    Majic yes he was probaly the only person in the room qualified to have a glock 40. Perhaps he should go to schools and give lectures on gun safety.
  7. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Member

    May 21, 2004
    "Land of (dis)Enchantment"
    Based on my experience, if you pull the trigger on a Glock it goes BANG! If you don't pull the trigger it doesn't go BANG!

    I am betting that his finger, or some other item, was in the trigger guard while he was holstering it.
  8. TheWanderer

    TheWanderer Member

    Feb 19, 2007

    This is great! ROTFL! I need to do that too! Where I work, I can see my car all night on a monitor. I could just leave the 19 on my carseat and have it on guard!

    "Authorities are unsure why the gun fired...." Well of course they are. No one wants to admit the guy had his finger on the trigger, IMO.
  9. ten bears

    ten bears Member

    Feb 15, 2007
    :cuss: Articles like this REALLY sadden me. There are those who view the Glock pistol as "unsafe" due to the fact there is no external manually operated safety. The Glock Pistol does have a external safety, the trigger safety, coupled with the firing pin safety and the drop safety.....thats three! They all sequentially disengage while pulling the trigger and automatically reengage when releasing the trigger. "Glock Perfection." I could post hundreds of articles in reference to self inflicted gun shot wounds involving almost every weapon manufactured. Fact is, guns don't shoot people, people shoot people and sometimes themselves, it happens. It just seems that Glock always seems to take the heat because there are no levers, buttons and switches to throw before firing. Its funny how they always note that, when a Glock is involved, "it has no safety." In my opinion, Glock weapons are the finest, most accurate combat handguns made. When it comes to a life and death situation, the adreniline slams through your body causing tunnel vision and everything goes into slow motion, I wish you luck with the levers, buttons and switches. If you have never been there its hard to understand. You deploy a Glock, point it, pull the trigger and it goes bang! I have heard all the rebuttals, the big one, "Practice and train, when it happens it will be automatic, it will be like a reflex!" I TOTALLY agree, we need to train and practice to be prepared. But, when the sh#* hits the fan, it does not always work. Through my years, again and again, I have seen students, in high stress situations, do everything from trying to draw their weapon and holster at the same time from a triple retention to continually pulling the trigger with the safety engaged and believing the weapon was actually firing. I guess my point, before getting off the subject is: When it comes to self defense, life and death, win or loose, simplicity is the way to go. Keep training and practicing for every situation you can imagine. Shoot from different positions and ALWAYS incorporate movement into your drills. Thank you for the opportunity and the freedom to voice my opinion. BE SAFE and burn lots of ammo! Ten Bears
  10. kentucky_smith

    kentucky_smith Member

    Oct 6, 2005
    Oooh, cocked and locked is scary. Let's go to a GLOCK. :rolleyes:
  11. denfoote

    denfoote Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Near the border of occupied Azlan and Mexico.
    People forget that, not to long ago, these guards carried (GASP) REVOLVERS!!!

    They were honk'in big revolvers too, loaded with the EVIL .357 MAGNUM cartridge!!

    These devices of Satan also DIDN"T have an external safety!!

    I don't ever remember hearing about this happening then!!

    Of course, departments spent a lot more time on firearm safety and most of their recruits came from a shooting background anyway.

    The current tool of the Devil was designed to emulate the double action revolver!!

    The following is as true now as it was then: Keep yer booger hook off the bang button and don't use yer holster to hide yer smokes and lighter!!

    MICHAEL T Member

    Feb 3, 2004
    outback Kentucky
    Glock weapons are the finest, most accurate combat handguns made. :rolleyes:

    Their are many who will disagree with that statement.

    Fool shot himself Might not have happened if been a Springfield or any other DA pistol with a proper safety.
    Several years back I was forced to use my 1911 in SD and had no problem finding and pushing off safety. I have never understood the you can't work a safety under stress line. GI's do it on their rifles every day and long before walk on water Glocks came into picture lots of other people didn't have trouble. Guess modern people are just to lazy to learn or to dumb.
  13. 357wheelgunner

    357wheelgunner Member

    Apr 23, 2004
    Rural South
    I think that instead of spending money on firearm safety and marksmanship training, they spent all of their money on ammunition so the guys could practice "tactical reloads" and empty the magazine into the air around the target more quickly :barf: Revolvers are for stupid people anyway ;)
  14. Donut

    Donut Member

    Jan 8, 2007
    Southern California

    Sorry Michael, I had do it. :neener:
  15. Rod B

    Rod B Member

    Dec 6, 2006
    Ontario, Canada
    Gun manufacturers do their best to make their guns idiot proof.:banghead:

    However there is always one idiot who will figure out how to blame the gun for an A.D.

  16. JLStorm

    JLStorm Member

    Jun 19, 2004
    you realize of course if this was not a security guard or LEO the gun wouldnt have just gone off on its own...the newspaper would have reported how shots were fired by a civilian. I think those who use weapons for carry duty are the only ones who have the models that are able to think on their own and fire without being touched....
  17. jwerlc

    jwerlc Member

    Nov 19, 2005
    Glock perfection...

    Glocks are the best, safest, most accurate, most intelligent, successful, beautiful, loving weapons I have ever known to exist...:cool: ...
  18. Autolycus

    Autolycus Member

    Feb 13, 2006
    In the land of make believe.
    When I talk to people about guns I say "My gun does not have a manual safety but it does have inherent safeties."

    Of course this is the guns fault and not the officers. I just want to make that clear. As someone else pointed out, if it was not an officer or other trained member it was the operators error.
  19. HSMITH

    HSMITH Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Someone should have taught this dumb ___ to keep his booger hook off the bang switch when holstering and this would not have happened. Holster a Glock, or an XD for that matter, with somewhat close to a normal grip and your finger in the trigger guard and you will hear a loud BANG followed by varying degrees of pain......
  20. default

    default Member

    Jan 11, 2006
    The implication in the article is that the pistol fired for some reason other than a pull of trigger, whether deliberate or negligent. With an unmodified GLOCK, this is essentially impossible. If anyone can think of a scenario in which a GLOCK could fire without the trigger being pulled that does not involve a 2000-degree fire, getting sucked into an MRI machine, or the rear of the slide being struck squarely by another bullet, I'd like to hear it.
  21. tango3065

    tango3065 Member

    Jan 19, 2003
    Well I don't believe in ghost but they better get some professionals in there that can check it out :D .
  22. Marshall

    Marshall Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Oklahoma, Green Country
    Hope he's not a member of THR.
  23. karz10

    karz10 Member

    Feb 2, 2007
    NC SC somewhere between the mtns & ocean


    Umm, anyone else notice that:
    is not in QUOTES

    But after making a point to say
    The following statement is in QUOTES

    In other words, the guy is definitely quoted as saying that they're going to check the gun for defects, which as I understand it, should be pretty easy to check out. However, it's obvious that they wanted to make a point that it has no external safety, after they say authorities aren't sure why it went off, but first say that Daley said the gun just discharged while being put in the holster, but didn't QUOTE him on what he specifically said.

    To me, that is either an oversight by the reporter to forget the quotes, or it's allowing them some room to paraphrase what was actually said, potentially spinning it.

    Why is it always (usually anyway) while holstering? Rhetorical question, of course. I never hear about someone dropping it or something more drastic causing it to go off, but man, don't try to holster the weapon, it could go off at any time!


    BTW, I thought it was interesting to see average commoners like myself at an IDPA thing last night, losing valuable seconds trying to get their safety's off of their 1911's and such, as they removed from holsters and attempted to fire in a timed environment. I'm not slamming anyone or anything, there were some very proficient shooters that had obviously practiced a lot w/ their weapons, and it's good that they are training w/ their weapon, and I'll probably look way more silly to someone else when I get out there, but I'm just saying it made me really think about real-world scenario responses when I saw some dealing with that.

    I initially was thinking about the gun I bought, when I was planning to buy it, mainly for HD, thinking of the late night intruder, having an alarm or something, hopefully, to give me some warning, and with a few seconds to prepare and de-safety didn't seem like that big of a deal to me, but I guess I'm saying I can see some people's point now about having something ready to go, like the Glocks, when you're FTF w/ an attacker, especially seeing first hand someone simulating a speedy draw and fire scenario.

    But, I also understand why some want an external safety, and probably would recommend extreme caution to anyone used to a manual safety handling a Glock. It makes me wonder when someone like this, in a security position, or LEO, that should be used to guns, if somewhere along the line they got used to the manual safety gun of another type, and didn't realize their habits to break the trigger guard rule, but those faults become exposed when dealing w/ an internal safety type gun.

    And to those touting the safeties of XD's and that, I'm no expert, but the thing that scared me about the XD, I had to have my hand jammed up into the proper spot, I was afraid that there might be a self defense situation where my hand was forced into a lower position on the gun, or I had to grab it in a funny way, and I still could easily control and aim the weapon, but because the web of my hand was an inch lower from the top, my grip safety wouldn't let me fire the gun. It was one of the things that made me personally shy away from the XD. It's a good theory, but whether my concern is realistic or not, I was concerned about wanting to fire the gun and it not working for that reason.

    I also like the M&P, which came with an option of a Mag Safety, which as a new gun owner, I kind of thought I liked that initially, but I was surpised to see so many people against it. I was reminded of it, when I watched a defense show w/ Ayoob, he was talking about the proper position to hold a long gun clearing a house, where if it's down you're in a position of power, and can still shoot at the feet of the attacker in a struggle, and I thought about being in a struggle for my handgun, and if the mag got released, I would have to find a way to spend that chambered bullet before it got taken away from me, and hopefully put that bullet SOMEWHERE into the attacker, to help gain the advantage, and not lose the weapon in the first place.

    I don't know, I think any safety measure can have a potential drawback, and any time you make something ready to fire, it comes with extra responsibilities to train and execute properly.

  24. Redhat

    Redhat Member.

    Feb 25, 2003
    I guess the 1911 ers hadn't practiced enough amybe.

    Have you seen them practice?

    After the match, did they all trade in their 1911s for something else without a safety?

    The champion IPSC shooters that use 1911's don't seem to have any of these problems?

    Sorry I just don't buuuy it.

    Have you fired the XD and had the grip safety prevent you from firing?

    ON the flip side, I have read some of Ayoob's articles where the magazine safety saved lives in a struggle because they were ejected prior to the bad guy getting control of the gun. Problem was he couldn't fire it at the good guy because the magazine wasn't in. Same stories about manual safeties...bad guy couldn't figure out how to get the safety off, which bought enough time for the officer to employ a back-up gun.

    Nothing will be perfect, just make the most informed decision you can and like everyone else, you take your chances.
  25. tnieto2004

    tnieto2004 Member

    Jan 15, 2007
    I only have 1 handgun with external safety .. never been a issue
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