Accidentally fired a Glock

[tarrigoni]

its not exactly the same, rojo, because i do advocate that people take personal responsibility for their lives. anti's want everyone to be dependant on law enforcement for protection.

So, since I'm working as a security guard (which I do) I'm not allowed to protect myself just BECAUSE I'm a security guard? How am I supposed to be dependant on myself to protect myself then? I get the short stick just because of my job?

 

[logical]

So, since I'm working as a security guard (which I do) I'm not allowed to protect myself just BECAUSE I'm a security guard? How am I supposed to be dependant on myself to protect myself then? I get the short stick just because of my job?

If you can explain the threat represented by a teenage car stereo thief running away from you, by all means defend yourself from it.

 

[tarrigoni]

I wasn't talking about shooting a kid. I was talking about spiff's comment earlier about guards not being armed at all.

Hell, I don't think he shoulda shot the kid. He's an idiot. I'm not trying to defend those actions and I don't think it said so anywhere in my response.

 

[logical]

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If I ever came home to find my girlfriend being raped, her concerns about how she'd "feel" about my having killed her attacker would not be very heavily considered as I did what was necessary to end his attack.



Though this will probably come up before the Grand Jury. She is likely to down play the necessity of shooting, thus setting the stage for you to be criminally charged. Wish it weren't so, but I have seen this many times in felony trials. The victim becomes your worst witness.

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that first quote didn't even come from this thread did it?

 

[iiibdsiil]

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+1 for him getting what he deserved.

I have done plenty of stupid crap, much of which I deserve to have been shot over too. At least I think so now, sure as heck didn't think so then. I feel no pity for thieves, murders, rapists, or any other scum. Scum is scum, and that's it.





Can you contact those whom you offended enough for them to shoot you? Maybe they'd still like to take a shot at you.

What I ment was stuff that I feel others should have be shot for. I'll tell you what, damn near all of my friends went on to get into wayyyyyyy more trouble. So yeah, some clean up and go straight, but odds are they don't. Having been there, done that, ya, I probably shouldn't be here right now, but have since changed. But, if I had got shot/killed about it, and if I could look back now, I would say it was a good guess, although wrong. That make sense?

 

[Elmer]

What I ment was stuff that I feel others should have be shot for. I'll tell you what, damn near all of my friends went on to get into wayyyyyyy more trouble. So yeah, some clean up and go straight, but odds are they don't. Having been there, done that, ya, I probably shouldn't be here right now, but have since changed. But, if I had got shot/killed about it, and if I could look back now, I would say it was a good guess, although wrong. That make sense?

Well... no....

 

[CajunBass]

Stephenson also said the defense presented evidence from a University of Colorado movement specialist, who wrote in an expert opinion that he believed Engle involuntarily pulled the trigger of his 9-mm Glock when he lost his balance.

Why is it that some of us who practice with our guns have a hard time hitting a target, but someone who "involuntarily pulled the trigger" seems to hit everytime? I mean here we have a guy who looses his balance and in a sphere 360 degrees all around, manages to hit the one person he's chasing. Nothing else.

I used to be an armed security guard. I was taught that my weapon was to be used ONLY to defend my life, or the life of someone else. NOTHING else.

My "crime fighting" tools were a notebook, a pencil, my eyes and my brain. I was to observe, take notes, and report to the police. I was NOT a cop. My job was not to arrest anyone.

 

[jc2]

Why is it that some of us who practice with our guns have a hard time hitting a target, but someone who "involuntarily pulled the trigger" seems to hit everytime?

Murphy's Law--whatever can go wrong will go wrong (at the worst possible time)?

 

[spacemanspiff]

So, since I'm working as a security guard (which I do) I'm not allowed to protect myself just BECAUSE I'm a security guard? How am I supposed to be dependant on myself to protect myself then? I get the short stick just because of my job?

i wasn't clear on my opinion, so let me clarify. i don't think a firearm should be part of the 'belt-of-authority' that a security guard is issued.
now, mind you, i am assuming we are talking about things like mall security, parking garage security, building security, basically the 'rent-a-cop' type of thing. such security personnel are tasked with protecting property, controlling crowds in public places, making sure there are no tresspassers, etc.

i have seen the groups of trainees at the range getting 'qualified'. these guys are not shooters, and know little to nothing about firearms or the proper use of deadly force. tarragoni, maybe its different where you live. maybe your co-workers are gunny's and you all are fully aware of when it would be justified to shoot.
but taking into considertion incidents like the one at the beginning of this thread, another incident recently where a guard unloaded two mags at point blank range at a shoplifter and hit nothing, as well as other horror stories from the realm of what we lovingly call 'mall-ninjas', can you see why i do not trust the average security personnel to be armed?

i have no problem with any responsible adult who carries for their personal protection. and i wouldnt have a problem with a security guard who carries concealed for jsut that reason. but i draw the line at the use of deadly force to protect property.

 

[Rockstar]

Sounds to me like the "stumbled, accidentally shot the punk" defense was just that...a lawyer's contrived defense. I'm betting the guy took aim and shot the kid in the back.

 

[Johnny Guest]

Sheesh!

And I'M willing to bet that none of us have sufficient information, based solely on the news report, to draw even HALF the conclusions to which we are collectively leaping.

It is one thing to be disdainful of the actions of the guard. It is another to ascribe to him felonious intent. And QUITE another for members to become childishly contentious with one another.

This one's run way beyond its useful life.

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