accu-trigger = ccrapu-trigger

[Gunsby_Blazen]

Oh come on, I really like accutrigger. Haven't bought one, but have came really close to more than a few times. They feel really light and crisp to me. The little pre-trigger thing doesn't bother me at all.
but to each their own.

 

[GILROY]

Quote:
"And let's start a poll and see if given their choice how many High Road members would rather have a Savage or a Cooper if they could pick a free one."

I am no more interested in a poll on these rifles than I am on a poll on who likes fat women or skinny women, or who "values" an AKC champion bred German Shepard or an old reliable junk yard chain chewer. I totally respect any shooters choice for his values and purposes.

QUOTE:
"By your logic the $500 Savage is just as good. I think it's just as good FOR YOU. NOT ME."

By my research and experience, SOME Savages shoot just as accurately as some much more expensive makes and are just as durable and reliable, including the numbers I see for Coopers. And as you stated, that makes it just a good for my purposes, FOR ME.

 

[Horsemany]

Gilroy

I hope I didn't offend. The poll idea was hypothetical and simply suggested most people would agree Savage is not in the same class as Kimber or Cooper. Especially when talking triggers. Kimber and Cooper both have excellent triggers much better than the accutrigger IMO. The topic steered off when someone lumped Savage, Kimber, and Cooper together. After I cleaned my soda off the monitor I posted my opinions based on experiences with more than 1 example of all 3 brands.

 

[GILROY]

Hey, no offense at all here Fun topic to pass a Memorial Day evening away until dinner is served.

 

[GILROY]

But I have to stand up for my AT Savage. Too many dead on kills and sub 1" paper punches to say it is any less (trigger, chamber, barrel, crown) than most other bolt actions for what bolt action rifles are designed to do... IMO. And the Accu-trigger is a big factor in that performance (the shooter gets a little credit too As an example. I own an 08 Lexus 460L. Nice, smooth car, but I can't say for me that it is "better" than my old 97 Ford Expedition still in the drive with 246K miles with nothing but maintenance and a rebuilt air conditioner. But the Lex get's braggin rights, attention, is a lot more expensive, and yes it would win most any poll, but it won't take me anywhere the Ex won't and the Ex has taken me places the Lex would high center and wait for a tow. But my wife surely "values" it a whole lot more! Does it have a "better" motor? I will let you know 250K down the road. Way off topic I know. Just trying to make a point about comparing "performance" of certain things. I like the Accu-trigger concept over anything I have tried except maybe the CZs. Gotta get me another one of those. I gave my last one to an old man to let me hunt a season on his land.

 

[Gewehr98]

Gilroy, I understand where you're coming from with the Lexus/Ford comparison...

Honest.

But if you ride a moped long enough, even a Yugo might be appealing, and you'll never even look at the Ford or Chevy in the next car lot.

I'm not saying everybody walks around with blinders on, but folks who go to WalMart and buy an Accu-Trigger Savage probably didn't know there were guns with better, non-liability-lawyer triggers installed. Heck, even the Stevens 200, which is the same gun as the Savage sans frills, comes with a nice trigger and it sells for less! I'd wager the price difference between the Savage and Stevens would buy a RifleBasix trigger for the latter, with some change to spare.

Granted, I'm slightly biased because I've owned and still own many rifles with good, crisp, lightweight triggers, and they weren't beholdin' to some Glock-style gimmick just to keep the lawyers happy. Again, a sign of the times, as it were. Some of us old farts should probably rent out our collections so others can enjoy stuff made before litigation ruled.

(BTW, I'd take a free Cooper rifle in a New York Minute, and not just over a Savage...)

 

[HM2PAC]

Gewehr98,

Please don't misunderstand me. My primary hunting rifle is an old model 110 in .30-06. I love the thing and don't believe that it is ugly. I did have a Timney trigger put in as the stock trigger was a bit rough.

My point as to the perceived problems that Savage's had was to their trigger and stock. That is what the minions have cried about.

The perception of Savage=cheap is rather pervasive.

I even had the privilege of seeing someone pull the bolt back and wiggle it, then say to someone, " Savage...KaKa". Then pick up a Rem 700 and without pulling the bolt back, demonstrate that the locking mechanism would not wiggle.

 

[GILROY]

I hear ya, and do understand where you are coming from. Heck, if both were free I would take the Coopers too! Basic economics. I may not be the brightest light on the tree, but I am not the dimmest either!

 

[8x57mm]

I just got into F-TR shooting. On a budget, I got a Savage 12FV in 308, B-Square mount, Warne rings, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X40 Mildot scope, and Harris Bipod. Icamo painted it myself (first go at that sort of thing). All told, about $970. So far so good?

The camo process I used, and my first range report is detailed at:
http://home.comcast.net/~v2creative/camo.html

Damn this thing can shoot! I think that most guys that have spent a boat-load of cash on custom rigs have to knock Savage. Otherwise, when for instance Savage's 1000 yard team wins with bone stock $1200 rifles against rigs costing what... 5-6 times as much... they feel sort of.... outdone?

The AccuTrigger is a concession to the ambulance chasers, but damn... it works. Look and see how many other manufacturers are copying the idea lately.


Enjoy a bargain for chrissake.

 

[GILROY]

"So far so good?"

So far... GOOD ENOUGH!

 

[Wildfire]

Quote.

Hey There:
maybe some of you don't know who This is but real riflemen will.
Jim carmichel... He wrote a book Called Jim Carmichel's "Book of the Rifle"
This man knew rifles. Way better then any of us. I am going to give a quote from his book. ("The Savage model 110 bolt gun, wins all honors for the worst ,hardest to pull, improvement resistant trigger mechanism.")
These are his words. He was a very acomplished rifleman. This quote is from page 56 of his book.

I am not condeming a Savage rifle. And have said they came a long way. I hope you hear this........... BUT, and there is no arguement about this. Their triggers have been the worst triggers ever made. If not , why did they change such a good thing. Don't feed me the lawer crap. Remington triggers have been fully owner adjustable since they came out with them.

As I said they have come a long way, and now make something that works. Some love it , some hate it. In the past people bought Savage rifles mainly becuase of their low price. That is a fact. The Remingtons and Winchesters were way ahead and out performing them . Wasn't that long ago it was rare to see a Savage at a bench shoot. the Remingtons usually dominated the shoots. There were always custom made guns there and sometimes even a Savage. But still rare. Now they are able to compete. NOW!!!!!!! Not then.

So if you like your NEW Savages cool Enjoy them. Enter these competitions and make them a name. But all the Name bashing going on here is really starting to Prove Who Knows what... So lets all be a little more careful.
Words are something you can never really take back. I had started to gain a certian respect for some of you and would rather keep those thoughts .
A lot of this is turning into just word wars. I beleive we all have the right to choose the rifle that fits our needs. No matter what brand it is.
HM2PAC said it kind of right. Savage used very cheap wood on many of their rifles. And did so for many years.. If we are going to argue that point , Then we will all know who knows what. This is one way they kept the price lower then the Rems and wins.

So the point is If you like your OLD or NEW Savage, Cool.....
Just don't bash the ones that don't.

 

[R.W.Dale]

("The Savage model 110 bolt gun, wins all honors for the worst ,hardest to pull, improvement resistant trigger mechanism.")

YEP a set of allen wrenches and 15 minutes. Why that's almost an impossibl feate for all but the most accomplished firearms engineers

Ol Jim sure knew his stuff.

Gun writers wouldn't EVER publish a bunch of opinionated drivel

 

[Ash]

Wildfire, here is the history for you.

The original trigger was good but complicated to adjust. When the 110's extractor was changed from a "C" clamp to a claw, they changed the 1st generation trigger to an excellent, easily adjusted trigger (2nd gen), which is almost exactly the same as the Timney trigger later. The trigger was adjustable for let-off as well as weight of pull. It did not have an adjustment for over-travel, but otherwise was very easy to adjust. The only fundamental difference was that the Timney has an over-travel adjustment. In any case, it was an excellent trigger and easily adjusted.

When Savage went to the semi-adjustable trigger, they removed the let-off screw, leaving the only adjustment being weight of pull. This worked okay, but the user could not control let-off. This was in fact due to legal reasons, but also was cheaper to produce. This was the third generation trigger.

The Accutrigger was introduced as a liability issue and replaced the 3rd gen on the 110 and derivatives except for many of the 111 package rifles as well as the Stevens 200. Both of these rifles use variations of the 3rd gen trigger.

Changing triggers need not necessarily be because the previous trigger was bad, though. In case you don't realize it, FN has abandoned the oh-so-popular Winchester Model 70 trigger.

Ash

 

[Horsemany]

Ash

I can believe it was changed for the worse. Firearms mfg's change things for the worse all the time. All they need is a catchy name for the replacement(which is usually cheaper). Especially now with many gun companies being in financial hardship the quality is really headed downhill. I saw some Remmy 700's at my gunshop last week with lateral machining marks throughout the whole barreled action. It was so deep the bead blasting didn't conceal it. Apparently they didn't care because all the SPS's looked like that.

 

[Wildfire]

Thanks ASH.

Hey There.
Thank you. That clears up a lot. Some real history. That is usually all I care about is the facts. Not the BS of My dog is Tuffer then your dog.

So , we can conclude that while not perfect the triggers worked then and now they have a new design that will make some love it and some hate. This is all I said before. I like the feel of the traditional triggers. I have an Accu-trigger and it works OK. But as I posted before also. It did not do what they claimed it would. This is true of two of these that I have. They are OK. But, Nothing speacial. No more then a decent trigger should be.

While we all may have opinions. I still like the facts. Thanks for sheading some light on there history. I am not a Savage guy so don't know all I should about them. I have worked on a few and found that most of my ealier statements were true. The wood was cheap. and they were made with cost cutting measures. That seems to be changing now. I hope it all works out for them. And the guys that use these rifles.

 

[Cu-Melter]

In So Much As..

Sometimes I think there is as pre-conception as a potential customer examines the Accu-Trigger...given what they might have read in articles or forums.

Having only one Savage thus far (Model 40), the key element that struck me was its safety value. Bringing the pull weights way down, should the sears accidently trip...the gun still will not fire.

In the law-suit world that we must live in today, this is the major credit that I will give Savage for their ingenuity.

I'm saving my nickels to purchase a Savage Low-Profile Single Shot...and I'll be content w/its trigger

Great Tune-Up Read
Best Regards-

 

[Downrange]

Must be a love it or hate it deal. I love my accu-triggers, but I also dug out an older Savage 110 in .243 (that's right - long action) I bought at Wally World years ago and have never fired, and went to work on the trigger, using info from this link:
http://www.varminthunters.com/tech/savage110trigger.html
It's now within a whisker of the 93R17 that has the accu-trigger, and all I did was work on the release points with a little steel wool and set the spring lighter. But the accu-triggers are very nice for a stock trigger and don't cost any extra.

 

[taliv]

this is why i mostly shoot AR-pattern rifles now

 

[Ash]

Downrange, I once owned a 110FP in 308 that was a long action. It was also the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. I sold it, but that was because I was going to use it for hunting and target shooting, but the bull barrel was just too darn heavy for hunting.

Ash

 

[mr.trooper]

I like my accutrigger. I think its just you.

 

[BlackJackal]

Fired about 300 rounds threw a savage .22 with an accu-trigger, i dont have any problems with the trigger and was shooting excellent groups. the light trigger was helpful shooting longer distances, a 8"x8" plate at 200 yards crouched. overall a nice trigger.

 

[GILROY]

Ash,
I often hunt with a 10FP .308 Short Action with the 20" barrel. It is a little lighter than the 110FP, but still definetly a tree stand gun. Heavy for stalking, but so accurate (with that sweet accu-trigger ), that it's seems almost unfair to the creature in scope. Still worth the weight, but at 53 I am starting to think about it.

 

[Ash]

Ah, but my Mossberg 810 in 30-06 is a nice hunting rifle. Not as accurate as the 110FP, but much lighter and a good bit prettier to boot. I liked that Savage, liked it alot, but realized I wasn't actually competing with it and so let it go. Yeah, it was very accurate. Had I handloaded I only shudder to think what it could do, as the ammo I used was South African PMP soft points.

Ash

 

[pgeleven]

+1 on accu-trigger

mine took some getting used to. the first time i took it to the range i thought i had a defective rifle because it was only shooting half the time. eventually (after some practice) i got it right and its one of the best trigger systems i have tried. it may not be the best for everyone but it works good enough for me.

 

[USASA]

Well it looks like just another topic that brings out mostly the Remington crowd to knock the Savage crowd. I started shooting with an M1 while in the Army. Have since, over the years, shot mostly an M1A. Both my M1 & M1A have the standard military two stage trigger set at 4 and a half pounds pull.

I just bought a Savage 10FP with the Accutrigger. It came out of the box with a pull-off of 2 and a half pounds. I really like it. After shooting with a 4 and half pound trigger for years...it actually felt a little light for my touch. But, I'm getting used to it.

To sum up...I would be happy to put up a couple hundred dollars for anyone, who might be in my area sometime, to bring your stock out of the box Remington .308 caliber with no trigger mods...and have a 600 yard shoot off.