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Taking the human factor out of the equation, how much of an accuracy difference would there be between a Single Six and a 22/45 Mark II?
both guns with a 5.5" barrel, distance of 25 yards, using the same .22LR ammo....
From what I understand, the SS has a bore diameter of .224 (.22 WMR bullet diameter), the 22/45 has a bore diameter of .223 (.22LR)
How much difference would a .001 larger bore make with .22LR, I'd assume that the difference would be minimal, and once you factor the human factor back in, be so small as to be insignificant....
Basically, I'm trying to plan my next strategy, I have a Mark II 22/45 that I bought used mainly because it was cheap, it's boringly reliable, but I can only seem to shoot 3/4 to 1" groups with it at 15 yards, I know that I'm the limiting factor in the equation here
Thing is, I enjoy shooting a wide range of .22 ammo in my rifles, from the ultraquiet Super Colibri/CCI CB series/Remington CBee, to the subsonics (CCI Green tag and Subsonic), standard bulk HV rounds, and the occasional hypervelocities for a change
With the 22/45, I'm limited to LR lengths, and it seems to prefer the faster rounds, it works with subsonics, but I do get the occasional slow/draggy eject, even with a clean bore
I don't do rapid fire/double taps/mag dumps, I take time to aim every shot, to make every shot count, dumping a mag to just make noise holds no appeal to me
the 22/45 also seems to be quite muzzle-heavy, and the slingshot mod only works 80% of the time, sometimes it takes two or three pulls to slingshot the bolt on a new mag, yes, the grip angle does recreate the angle of my Kimber Custom II, but the safety and bolt/mag release/slide stop aren't positioned in the same location as on the KCII, the only 1911-like feature I see on it is the grip angle
I'm also not a fan of polymer gripframes, I'm a steel-and-wood guy
I've never really considered the Single Six, mainly because I knew the bore was sized for .22 Mag, and I had no desire to shoot .22 Mag out of a revolver, as the larger powder charge would mainly make more noise and flash, with a marginal increase in velocity, and the slightly larger bore would mean my preferred .22LR rounds would be less accurate
Up until recently, I had never even given the SS a passing glance, due to the "accuracy issues" played up all across the internet, but after watching a few reviews on the SS on YouTube, I began to get interested in the SS
A few days ago, I stopped off at the toy store, and looked at a couple used SS's, what really surprised me is how solid, and precisely made they were, they seemed to have the feel of a finely crafted watch, the seams were tight, the hammer pull smooth, the trigger had a nice smooth pull, and wasn't overly heavy, the balance was right on, they had a nice, solid weight, and pointed well, in short, the Single Six just felt.......right, it felt comfortable, familiar, and solid, it felt like a *real* gun, whenever I picked up my 22/45, the poly grip frame kept screaming *TOY!* in my mind, comparing the two side-by-side for balance, heft, and pointability, I tend to gravitate towards the Single Six, it just feels more solidly made, somehow it seems more "real" than the 22/45
So, here's my dillemma, I'm feeling the urge for a Single Six, I love the way it feels in-hand, it just feels *right*, I love the fact that I can shoot any .22 round in it (Super Colibris, CB's, S, L, and LR rounds), even leaving the .22WMR mag out of the comparison, a .22LR only SS is far more versatile than the 22/45, can eat any .22 round without complaining, and just feels more solidly built
the only downsides I can see with the SS is four fewer rounds in the cylinder (if I got a Single Ten that'd be a non-issue), and the .224 diameter bore is optomized for the .22WMR (yes, even on the Single 10)
OTOH, my Mark II model 22/45 is a better gun than the Mark III series 22/45 as it doesn't have the stupid "nannyware" garbage on it (LCI, internal lock, and mag disconnect) and Mark II's are getting hard to find
Had I known what I know now about the Single Six, I probably would have purchased it *instead of* the 22/45, as I'm a revolver guy at heart, I just like wheelguns better, no real reason other than personal preference...
basically, what I'm trying to decide is if I should trade out of the 22/45 and replace it with a Single Six (or Single 10 which is a whole other debate, right now, the Six has the edge as it has the ability to shoot .22WMR, the Ten does not have that ability, so a .224 bore on a .22LR revolver makes less sense)
Right now, I'm contemplating a couple strategic trades to get me into a 5" barrel stainless Single Six, new, with the nice redwood grips (it looks like the Distributor Exclusive model on the Ruger website) but one of those "strategic trades" would be trading in the 22/45 towards the Single Six....
this is similar to my 22/45, but mine's a Mark II with the older style blocky gripframe with squared off trigger guard....
So, how much accuracy difference is there between the Single Six and the Mark series?
both guns with a 5.5" barrel, distance of 25 yards, using the same .22LR ammo....
From what I understand, the SS has a bore diameter of .224 (.22 WMR bullet diameter), the 22/45 has a bore diameter of .223 (.22LR)
How much difference would a .001 larger bore make with .22LR, I'd assume that the difference would be minimal, and once you factor the human factor back in, be so small as to be insignificant....
Basically, I'm trying to plan my next strategy, I have a Mark II 22/45 that I bought used mainly because it was cheap, it's boringly reliable, but I can only seem to shoot 3/4 to 1" groups with it at 15 yards, I know that I'm the limiting factor in the equation here
Thing is, I enjoy shooting a wide range of .22 ammo in my rifles, from the ultraquiet Super Colibri/CCI CB series/Remington CBee, to the subsonics (CCI Green tag and Subsonic), standard bulk HV rounds, and the occasional hypervelocities for a change
With the 22/45, I'm limited to LR lengths, and it seems to prefer the faster rounds, it works with subsonics, but I do get the occasional slow/draggy eject, even with a clean bore
I don't do rapid fire/double taps/mag dumps, I take time to aim every shot, to make every shot count, dumping a mag to just make noise holds no appeal to me
the 22/45 also seems to be quite muzzle-heavy, and the slingshot mod only works 80% of the time, sometimes it takes two or three pulls to slingshot the bolt on a new mag, yes, the grip angle does recreate the angle of my Kimber Custom II, but the safety and bolt/mag release/slide stop aren't positioned in the same location as on the KCII, the only 1911-like feature I see on it is the grip angle
I'm also not a fan of polymer gripframes, I'm a steel-and-wood guy
I've never really considered the Single Six, mainly because I knew the bore was sized for .22 Mag, and I had no desire to shoot .22 Mag out of a revolver, as the larger powder charge would mainly make more noise and flash, with a marginal increase in velocity, and the slightly larger bore would mean my preferred .22LR rounds would be less accurate
Up until recently, I had never even given the SS a passing glance, due to the "accuracy issues" played up all across the internet, but after watching a few reviews on the SS on YouTube, I began to get interested in the SS
A few days ago, I stopped off at the toy store, and looked at a couple used SS's, what really surprised me is how solid, and precisely made they were, they seemed to have the feel of a finely crafted watch, the seams were tight, the hammer pull smooth, the trigger had a nice smooth pull, and wasn't overly heavy, the balance was right on, they had a nice, solid weight, and pointed well, in short, the Single Six just felt.......right, it felt comfortable, familiar, and solid, it felt like a *real* gun, whenever I picked up my 22/45, the poly grip frame kept screaming *TOY!* in my mind, comparing the two side-by-side for balance, heft, and pointability, I tend to gravitate towards the Single Six, it just feels more solidly made, somehow it seems more "real" than the 22/45
So, here's my dillemma, I'm feeling the urge for a Single Six, I love the way it feels in-hand, it just feels *right*, I love the fact that I can shoot any .22 round in it (Super Colibris, CB's, S, L, and LR rounds), even leaving the .22WMR mag out of the comparison, a .22LR only SS is far more versatile than the 22/45, can eat any .22 round without complaining, and just feels more solidly built
the only downsides I can see with the SS is four fewer rounds in the cylinder (if I got a Single Ten that'd be a non-issue), and the .224 diameter bore is optomized for the .22WMR (yes, even on the Single 10)
OTOH, my Mark II model 22/45 is a better gun than the Mark III series 22/45 as it doesn't have the stupid "nannyware" garbage on it (LCI, internal lock, and mag disconnect) and Mark II's are getting hard to find
Had I known what I know now about the Single Six, I probably would have purchased it *instead of* the 22/45, as I'm a revolver guy at heart, I just like wheelguns better, no real reason other than personal preference...
basically, what I'm trying to decide is if I should trade out of the 22/45 and replace it with a Single Six (or Single 10 which is a whole other debate, right now, the Six has the edge as it has the ability to shoot .22WMR, the Ten does not have that ability, so a .224 bore on a .22LR revolver makes less sense)
Right now, I'm contemplating a couple strategic trades to get me into a 5" barrel stainless Single Six, new, with the nice redwood grips (it looks like the Distributor Exclusive model on the Ruger website) but one of those "strategic trades" would be trading in the 22/45 towards the Single Six....
this is similar to my 22/45, but mine's a Mark II with the older style blocky gripframe with squared off trigger guard....
So, how much accuracy difference is there between the Single Six and the Mark series?