Could you guys make some surgestions on everything you can possibly think of to improve the accuracy of a bolt action rifle. Also is it possible to glass be a synthetic stock I have done a couple of wooden stocks but i havent found anything on synthetic stocks
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tobyking8773
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S-E-A-R-C-H function works, please use it first.
And yes, why would you not be able to bed a synthetic stock?!?
If you have experience w/ bedding compound or anything used for bedding(ie- jbweld etc.) then you would know from reading the instructions that you can bed just about anything if the surfaces are clean of release agent/substance.
And yes, why would you not be able to bed a synthetic stock?!?
If you have experience w/ bedding compound or anything used for bedding(ie- jbweld etc.) then you would know from reading the instructions that you can bed just about anything if the surfaces are clean of release agent/substance.Iv been searching for about the last 5 hours actually. I probably know quiet a few but it would be good for people to put ideas all in the one place to make it easy, then the next time some1 does a search they wont have to spend 5 hours searching not to learn much and then to be told to do what they have just been doing. Iv only used a similar compound to devcon liquid steel and I dont think it came with instructions for bedding guns. I figured it will stick to just about anything but it will hold to some things better than others.
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C-grunt
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Usually free floating the barrel help out. Use the dollar test even when its in shooting position to make sure the stock isnt flexing and touching the barrel.
A good trigger helps you make better shots.
Make sure the barrel is in good shape. No nicks on the crown. The rifling is clean and not full of copper.
A good trigger helps you make better shots.
Make sure the barrel is in good shape. No nicks on the crown. The rifling is clean and not full of copper.
powwowell
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muffo, a lot of us use JB Weld for bedding our rifles. Kiwi neutral shoe polish is a great release agent.
Browning and Midway USA, both sell bedding kits. You can get liquid or gel. Midway's product cost less than Browning's. Most kits will do three or four rifles, but only have enough coloring (black or brown) for two.
Asking about bedding synthetic stocks is wise. All synthetics are not the same. Some will not bond to some bedding compounds, or will loose with time. With synthetics it is wise to undercut, enlarge where possible, so that the bedding material is mechanically locked to the stock.
I'm sure someone will come along with specifics. What rifle and type of stock are you bedding?
Browning and Midway USA, both sell bedding kits. You can get liquid or gel. Midway's product cost less than Browning's. Most kits will do three or four rifles, but only have enough coloring (black or brown) for two.
Asking about bedding synthetic stocks is wise. All synthetics are not the same. Some will not bond to some bedding compounds, or will loose with time. With synthetics it is wise to undercut, enlarge where possible, so that the bedding material is mechanically locked to the stock.
I'm sure someone will come along with specifics. What rifle and type of stock are you bedding?
LeonCarr
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The first step I would take is to make sure your action screws and scope mount screws are snug. Next I would make sure the barrel is squeaky clean and free of copper fouling. After that, using a good stable bench and good rests/sandbags, I would shoot several groups with several different brands of ammo. I would do all that stuff first before doing anything "mechanical", except maybe having the trigger adjusted to around three pounds.
I have seen group sizes shrink 50% or better just from the cleaning and finding ammo the gun likes.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
I have seen group sizes shrink 50% or better just from the cleaning and finding ammo the gun likes.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
rangerruck
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before you do that, do an aluminum tape bedding of the action area. Make sure bbl is freefloated, WHILE AT THE RANGE, after you have dumped about 20 quick shots through it, thorougly heating up the bbl. then check the freefloat. Sand it out, RIGHT THERE AT THE RANGE, because you brought tools and sandpaper with you to do that, including a dremel; surely they have a plug around there somewhere. Also, take some hard little clear, see through rubber pad thingies, you get at home despot, that you use between kitchen cabinet doors, so they don't slam closed. put one of those little rubber thingies, shaved flatter of course because they will be dome shaped, at the tip of the stock, and slow fire, 1 minute between shots at least, a 5 shot group. then move the pad back 1/2 inch, and refire. do this for 2 to 3 inches. See if you find a sweet spot, or at least a spot that shoots tighter than your freefloat. DON'T MAKE ANY SIGHT OR SCOPE ADJUSTMENTS; just make sure you are on paper. Remember, with the pad, all your shots are going to start much higher, so start off on your paper, aiming very low on your paper. If you don't get one that fires better than your freefloat, ditch them or take them back to your own kitchen, and use them on the cabinet doors. This will tell you all you need to know, about your stock.
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rangerruck
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Oh yeah, this means nothing about improvement of the bolt, bbl, trueing, muzzle, polishing, trigger, etc.
Uncle Mike
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Muffo, there is a mountain of 'things' you can do to a rifle to tighten it up, group wise...but without knowing what is going on with your particular rifle...it is anybodies guess.
I mean we can tell you ALL the tricks...and then what, you'll going to arbitrarily pick the one(s) that most likely fit the bill?
Just what exactly, and I do mean exactly, is going on with your shootin' stick ?
I mean we can tell you ALL the tricks...and then what, you'll going to arbitrarily pick the one(s) that most likely fit the bill?
Just what exactly, and I do mean exactly, is going on with your shootin' stick ?
Ok thanks for the replys guys. I was going to have a 22 250 custom made on a sako action next year but I just came across an almost new browning a bolt varmint in .223 WSSM that has only fired a handful of shot and was probably a quater of the cost of getting a 250 built. The stock is just a black synthetic stock. I dont know much more than that except im not a fan of the stock. I dont get the rifle for another week yet so at this point nothing is wrong. I want it for long range varmint shooting, nothing under about 200 yards. Im just trying to gather as much info on what i can do to make it more accurate as im not sure it will be up to what I want. I dont want anything over half inch groups at 100 and proferably under that. thats a really good idea to use the plastic stopers I wish I thought of that a couple of months ago when i was trying to get a cz 22 250 to shoot well.
DoubleTapDrew
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If everything is tight, clean the barrel well but shoot it a few times before going for groups. The first few shots out of a clean barrel can be fliers. Also try several different brands of ammo to see what it likes if you don't handload.
Tobyking,
I thought your response was offputting to this person, how do you know he or she didn't already try a search? If we all just searched previous threads there probably wouldn't be many new threads here now would there?
I totally understand the reason he wanted to know about the synthetic stocks, having just dissolved a portion of one of mine with wal mart cleaner.
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I thought your response was offputting to this person, how do you know he or she didn't already try a search? If we all just searched previous threads there probably wouldn't be many new threads here now would there?
I totally understand the reason he wanted to know about the synthetic stocks, having just dissolved a portion of one of mine with wal mart cleaner.
S-H-I-T-C-A-N the A-t-t-i-t-u-d-e
Runningman
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The biggest improvement in accuracy in any decent bolt action will come with well developed and tested handloads tailored to your rifle. Nothing else will come close.
I do hand loads for all my rifles. what jb weld do you use as I wasnt happy with the last epoxy I used. the only one I could fid is this http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php and it doesnt seem like a lot. I have done quiet a lot of research on piller bedding a rifle but every thing I can find is on single shot rifles. Is it possible with a bolt repeater
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Muffo, The most commonly overlooked, or ignored, accuracy improvement, is also the most obvious: A good, properly mounted scope, high quality bechchrest type rests, and truly expert shooting technique will often work wonders for a rifle's performance.
Yep. Mount quality optics properly, learn to shoot better than the gun you have, then buy a higher quality gun.
The biggest thing you can do for that gun is find a bullet it really likes. The barrel is the biggest thing holding a poor shooting gun back. A target quality barrel will shoot pretty well on a crap action as long as good bullets are used. Put that barrel on a quality action, and even better yet, have a gunsmith who knows how to make high end target rifles put it on, and you really have something.
Can't make chicken salad out of chicken droppings. Find a bullet your gun likes, practice your technique, get good at shooting it, then buy a better rifle.
The biggest thing you can do for that gun is find a bullet it really likes. The barrel is the biggest thing holding a poor shooting gun back. A target quality barrel will shoot pretty well on a crap action as long as good bullets are used. Put that barrel on a quality action, and even better yet, have a gunsmith who knows how to make high end target rifles put it on, and you really have something.
Can't make chicken salad out of chicken droppings. Find a bullet your gun likes, practice your technique, get good at shooting it, then buy a better rifle.
If a dollar bill (any denomination) just slides between the barrel and the fore end, that ain't enough. Especially if it's a sporting rifle's thinner fore end.
Resting the rifle's fore end on a rest atop a bench, then shouldering and cheeking the heavy recoiling rifle to shoot it will probably cause the forend to bend up and touch the barrel.
Don't believe me? Slide a bill in there before you shoot it from a bench, then mount the bagged rifle as if to shoot it and ask someone to slide that bill back and forth under the barrel.
You need at least 1/16th inch clearance at the fore end's tip. Maybe more.
And longer skinny barrels whip enough when the bullet's going down them that sometimes requires this much or more clearance to the fore end.
Resting the rifle's fore end on a rest atop a bench, then shouldering and cheeking the heavy recoiling rifle to shoot it will probably cause the forend to bend up and touch the barrel.
Don't believe me? Slide a bill in there before you shoot it from a bench, then mount the bagged rifle as if to shoot it and ask someone to slide that bill back and forth under the barrel.
You need at least 1/16th inch clearance at the fore end's tip. Maybe more.
And longer skinny barrels whip enough when the bullet's going down them that sometimes requires this much or more clearance to the fore end.
powwowell
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+1 for rizzbunk77.
wade rigsby
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to bed a synthetic stock it has been my practice to use a flame tourch to NOT melt but heat up the stock where you want your appoxy to stick. remember do not melt but just heat it up. you will be able to see the poors open up in the stock.
With a heavy barrel that shouldnt need a pressure point I dont see why more isnt better. if there is a large gap hte barrel cant possibly hit the stock. I without tooting my own horn I would say my marksmanship is quiet high off the bench I would say i could out shoot all 4 rifle I have In the field I would say i could out shoot 3 out of four. for this reason I wish I could have a custom 22-250 made with a top grade match barrel in it but at this point Im a student also paying off a mortgage so my funds are limited so I will try to get ever ounce of accuracy out of this a bolt varmint and when i have a bit more cash il have something realy good built. does anyone have a full guide on glass bedding a bolt repeater. proferably piller bedding. I used a guide for glass bedding a single shot rifle a couple of months ago to do a cz 22-250. the end result looked like **** but it shot fantasticly
mljdeckard
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Honestly, these days, standards on rifles are so high, it's difficult to go wrong. I would go to a pawn shop, look for a Savage, Winchester, or Remington 22-250 with a varmint barrel, and give it a try. My dad bought a like-new Remington 700 VSSF 22-250 from a pawn shop, and it shoots about 3/4 MOA with WWB 45 gr ammo. If it needs some tightening up. size your handloads, have the trigger lightened. If it still isn't sub-moa, then I would look at bedding and re-barreling or truing the action. But like I say, these days it's so competitive, no one dares release a varmint rifle that isn't sub-moa.
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