Accuracy..
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The only way that you'll ever get the basics down is to take a couple of lessons from an experienced shooter and then do a lot of dry firing. Just be very sure that the rifle is unloaded first and dry fire in a safe direction. You can buy a set of snap caps cheaply if you don't like the idea of dry firing.
porscheboy
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Start reloading JD, I started about 3 months ago, my groups at 100 yards with my Rem. 700 sps in .270 went from 1"-1.5" to .5" immediately. I purchased a "Lee" reloading kit at cabelas on sale for 100 dollars. It includes all you need to start reloading minus powder, bullets, primers, load book, etc. At first i was intimidated by the whole "reloading world" but its really simple and quite entertaining.
You hit a plateau and it has shaken your confidence. You have some good groups compared when you started. Rifles are a diminishing return. At 100 yds 3" is nothing, 2" is better, 1" is good. Now .75 is better. Half inch may have you working. .250 will have you struggling or may not happen with the ammo.
Go back and shoot the .22LR. See what you are doing with it and work on some good shooting at a low price.
Do not get a lead sled or other rest. That would be a bad way to spend your money. You need to do the work that it takes to be a better rifleman. Throwing money at the problem probably won't cut it.
Getting the rifle to fit would be optimal as far as money spent. Learn to analyze your target. Look at if your scope has parallax. Parallax and funky cheek weld will be a hurdle. It won't cause wild flyers at 1 or 200, but may add .125 to your group size.
Do you have any competitions in your area? Seek them out. In my area we have a strong junior program. That would be a goldmine for you.
I don't even think of rifle accuarcy without thinking handloading anymore. I would go to handloading before buying a new rifle.
Go back and shoot the .22LR. See what you are doing with it and work on some good shooting at a low price.
Do not get a lead sled or other rest. That would be a bad way to spend your money. You need to do the work that it takes to be a better rifleman. Throwing money at the problem probably won't cut it.
Getting the rifle to fit would be optimal as far as money spent. Learn to analyze your target. Look at if your scope has parallax. Parallax and funky cheek weld will be a hurdle. It won't cause wild flyers at 1 or 200, but may add .125 to your group size.
Do you have any competitions in your area? Seek them out. In my area we have a strong junior program. That would be a goldmine for you.
I don't even think of rifle accuarcy without thinking handloading anymore. I would go to handloading before buying a new rifle.
Some great advice for you from the more knowledgeable members, JD.
I was looking at a Howa, Remington and Thompson/Center Venture for my first .30-.06 and decided on the TC because of their MOA or less guarantee (lifetime).
As long as the TC does its part from a bench rest, I know that I can do mine, eventually, even if it requires some practice.
I was looking at a Howa, Remington and Thompson/Center Venture for my first .30-.06 and decided on the TC because of their MOA or less guarantee (lifetime).
As long as the TC does its part from a bench rest, I know that I can do mine, eventually, even if it requires some practice.
unwise11
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cool. My next rifle will not be a .308, but.. my next barrel will.
I have a blackhawk shell holder, I wonder what I could slip under it, though it is already tight.
I will most likely get to shoot again tuesday.
I am going to shoot all at 50 yards until under .75 inch 3 shots.
then 100, then 200. saving 300 for another day, I'm outta ammo after next session.
then to the store. they have 100 packs of 165 grain hollowpoints for 65.00
Im going to jump on that.
Then I'm going to have to get a cheap reloading kit.
I have a contact but it will cost 200 dollars, and I don't have that.
tonight, I'm going to cut up a towel, and make a rear support bag.
I already have a good front bag.
and I dont really want to go back to .22
ecpecially since the Win Model 67 is at my grandma's house. since my grandpa owns it.
all I have is my model 60, which is giving my some front sight issues.
so, big spender huh?
all I have is 73.00 from todays pay.
I will have to get a little loan from my dad.
I have a blackhawk shell holder, I wonder what I could slip under it, though it is already tight.
I will most likely get to shoot again tuesday.
I am going to shoot all at 50 yards until under .75 inch 3 shots.
then 100, then 200. saving 300 for another day, I'm outta ammo after next session.
then to the store. they have 100 packs of 165 grain hollowpoints for 65.00
Im going to jump on that.
Then I'm going to have to get a cheap reloading kit.
I have a contact but it will cost 200 dollars, and I don't have that.
tonight, I'm going to cut up a towel, and make a rear support bag.
I already have a good front bag.
and I dont really want to go back to .22
ecpecially since the Win Model 67 is at my grandma's house. since my grandpa owns it.
all I have is my model 60, which is giving my some front sight issues.
so, big spender huh?
all I have is 73.00 from todays pay.
I will have to get a little loan from my dad.
unwise11
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home made cheek piece done, wayy better than before, also made a nice portable rear support bag out of a surplus mag dump pouch and a towel.
My win 70 shoots less than .5 MOA from a bench but accuracy is relative. Dead is dead for medium and large game and a gun that shoots .5 moa at 100 yards is no more deadly than one shooting 1.5 moa at 100. Now out past 300 yards you might make a argument for super accurate shooting but most hunters dont shoot that far. If you can put it in a pie plate at 300 yards your fine. I love super accurate guns like everyone else, but it can get over blown. If your shooting smaller game with smaller vitals past 300 yards it can matter too. 2 inch groups at 100 yards will be 6 inch groups at 300, and this is still accurate enough. 1.5 inch groups at 100 will be 6 inch groups at 400.
unwise11
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po mans cheek riser idea, cut up an old catchers chest protector, and took foam blocks out. way better now.
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Looks pretty good. Good idea.
My first cheek rest was from cut up mouse pad. The old ones were thicker than the pads are now. It looked horrible, but I was able to shoot better.
For a rear bag find something water proof or at least fill with something that does not absorb water. Mardi Gras beads supposedly work, but I have not tried that. Triad tactical make a nice little one. I don't think the price was bad.
My first cheek rest was from cut up mouse pad. The old ones were thicker than the pads are now. It looked horrible, but I was able to shoot better.
For a rear bag find something water proof or at least fill with something that does not absorb water. Mardi Gras beads supposedly work, but I have not tried that. Triad tactical make a nice little one. I don't think the price was bad.
unwise11
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ok, I have 104 dollars, I'm either going to buy a block of 165 grain ammo, and a nice light for predator hunting, or a reloading kit if someone can give me a link of somthing, simple. and in my price range.
I will be loading a 168 grain BTHP with whatever powder the rangemaster advises until I find a good load, But im hoping the bullet will be the constant.
if not its fine, my best group was with the 165 grain BTSP
I will be loading a 168 grain BTHP with whatever powder the rangemaster advises until I find a good load, But im hoping the bullet will be the constant.
if not its fine, my best group was with the 165 grain BTSP
unwise11
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looked around. found this. what do you think? buy it or not?
http://www.cabelas.com/fryprod2-1/731940.shtml?type=product&WT_tsrc=CSE&WT_mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT_z_mc_id1=731940&RID=40&mr:trackingCode=74FDCECA-958E-DF11-A0C8-002219318F67&mr:referralID=NA
http://www.cabelas.com/fryprod2-1/731940.shtml?type=product&WT_tsrc=CSE&WT_mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT_z_mc_id1=731940&RID=40&mr:trackingCode=74FDCECA-958E-DF11-A0C8-002219318F67&mr:referralID=NA
I still load on my Lee single stage, even though I have a Turret also. If your just loading precision rifle ammo, you'll be just fine with that kit. If your loading to feed an autoloader handgun someday, the Cast Turret would be the way to go. All you need with that kit is a set of calipers, and a few reloading manuals
Skylerbone
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And dies. And a powder trickler. And some Hornady One Shot lube. And a trimmer.
JD, best be warned now: reloading for accuracy will send you to the poorhouse! Add to the list a Wilson Head Space Gage and a box of Sierra Matchking bullets.
JD, best be warned now: reloading for accuracy will send you to the poorhouse! Add to the list a Wilson Head Space Gage and a box of Sierra Matchking bullets.
unwise11
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gosh, I cant get it for another bit of time.
I have to buy stuff tomorrow(ammo), but this is set on my favorites on my laptop. along with about 500 dollars of other things i want. haha.
Im saving as of now.
I have to buy stuff tomorrow(ammo), but this is set on my favorites on my laptop. along with about 500 dollars of other things i want. haha.
Im saving as of now.
Skylerbone
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JD, here is the perfect tactical accessory for you! Maybe the rents could slip a few Benjamins in there to help out;-)
http://www.lapolicegear.com/molle-deluxe-christmas-stocking.html
I too have a Lee press among others and it does what it should. The scale with that kit is accurate but any balance scale will cost you time, fine for now but electronic is the way to go. Lee's lube is a wax base and while it works great can quickly plug the hole in the sizing die that allows air to escape causing stuck cases (vacuum). For load information you can check powder company web sites or, if it doesn't get you in trouble, ask the guys at the range. Lymann's manual or Lee's Modern Reloading will give you a wealth of information that can't be found on YouTube and the like.
Glad to see the bug has bit you, remember to stay safe and make sure you've got your mom's blessing before bringing home gun powder in bulk. Plan on a place to store it (never in a safe, that creates a really big bomb) and find a solid, clean work surface.
Inexpensive steel bases that will fix that cheek weld: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=965194. I tried the Evolution one piece and couldn't get near the stock so off it came and bought these. You'd have to reposition your rings but they are rock solid. You may or may not need new rings for clearance but I got away with low rings on a 42mm scope.
Here's another link to various Kick Eez cheek protectors if you find yourself a tad low after modification: http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#kick%20eez____-_1-2-4_8-16-32.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/molle-deluxe-christmas-stocking.html
I too have a Lee press among others and it does what it should. The scale with that kit is accurate but any balance scale will cost you time, fine for now but electronic is the way to go. Lee's lube is a wax base and while it works great can quickly plug the hole in the sizing die that allows air to escape causing stuck cases (vacuum). For load information you can check powder company web sites or, if it doesn't get you in trouble, ask the guys at the range. Lymann's manual or Lee's Modern Reloading will give you a wealth of information that can't be found on YouTube and the like.
Glad to see the bug has bit you, remember to stay safe and make sure you've got your mom's blessing before bringing home gun powder in bulk. Plan on a place to store it (never in a safe, that creates a really big bomb) and find a solid, clean work surface.
Inexpensive steel bases that will fix that cheek weld: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=965194. I tried the Evolution one piece and couldn't get near the stock so off it came and bought these. You'd have to reposition your rings but they are rock solid. You may or may not need new rings for clearance but I got away with low rings on a 42mm scope.
Here's another link to various Kick Eez cheek protectors if you find yourself a tad low after modification: http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#kick%20eez____-_1-2-4_8-16-32.
unwise11
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wow thanks, maybe ordering that base tomorrow. I have a 44mm objective, and medium rings, not sure if it will work, my rings are not going anywhere. brand new warne rings. onfortunately they are not as easy to remount. as the scope has to come out.
but I'dk if I really want to go through all that hassle.
but I'dk if I really want to go through all that hassle.
Do a lot of dry firing practice making sure you keep you sight alignment always the same.
Try this for practice. Balance a dime at the end of the barrel, get your sight alignment and gently squeeeeezzze the trigger. If the dime falls of the barrel you are pulling your shots. Do this until the dime no longer falls off the barrel.
Try this for practice. Balance a dime at the end of the barrel, get your sight alignment and gently squeeeeezzze the trigger. If the dime falls of the barrel you are pulling your shots. Do this until the dime no longer falls off the barrel.
unwise11
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I cant balance a Dime on my gun. it falls off as I try to put my cheek down.
Why dont YOU try it, with a square barrel?? ahah. its not easy.
I do dry fire alot.. usually prone, sometimes offhand. aiming at a tree on low power at about 50 yards in prep for deer.
Why dont YOU try it, with a square barrel?? ahah. its not easy.
I do dry fire alot.. usually prone, sometimes offhand. aiming at a tree on low power at about 50 yards in prep for deer.
Skylerbone
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Only thing about the Burris bases is that while they adhere to 1913 standards the spacing does not work out the same as a one piece base. At least one ring will have to be loosened, possibly both for proper eye relief.
Thought that stocking was right up your alley, might have to get a few for my boys.
Thought that stocking was right up your alley, might have to get a few for my boys.
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