bluetopper
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I've always thought and seen data to make me come to the conclusion that Accurate 4100 and Ramshot Enforcer are the same. I still think this is the case.
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Clark
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If two powders look the same and smell the same, they are probably the same.
I verify by testing them with brass and chrono. The threshold of long brass life in a rifle or case bulge in a semi auto handgun should be the same.
The exception to that is Power Pistol and Bullseye. Power pistol was once called "Bullseye 84".
The way to tell the difference it to measure the density.
With the old IMR single base stick powders, one can measure the sticks with dial calipers.
IMR-POWDER GRANULATIONS AND COMPOSITIONS
Powder Dia. Perf. Lgth. Web Coating Density
.... ....(.65xdie) . (.93xcut) ... (%) . (g/cc)
4198 .027 .007 .085 .010 6 DNT .85
3031 .030 .007 .030 .0015 8 DNT .89
4064 .032 .007 .085 .0128 9 DNT .90
4320 .034 .007 .042 .014 8 DNT .92
4350 .039 .008 .085 .016 5 DNT .925
4676 .034 .007 .058 .013 7 DNT .90
4895 .033 .007 .058 .013 6 DNT .90
4831 .039 .008 .085 .016 8 DNT .90
I verify by testing them with brass and chrono. The threshold of long brass life in a rifle or case bulge in a semi auto handgun should be the same.
The exception to that is Power Pistol and Bullseye. Power pistol was once called "Bullseye 84".
The way to tell the difference it to measure the density.
With the old IMR single base stick powders, one can measure the sticks with dial calipers.
IMR-POWDER GRANULATIONS AND COMPOSITIONS
Powder Dia. Perf. Lgth. Web Coating Density
.... ....(.65xdie) . (.93xcut) ... (%) . (g/cc)
4198 .027 .007 .085 .010 6 DNT .85
3031 .030 .007 .030 .0015 8 DNT .89
4064 .032 .007 .085 .0128 9 DNT .90
4320 .034 .007 .042 .014 8 DNT .92
4350 .039 .008 .085 .016 5 DNT .925
4676 .034 .007 .058 .013 7 DNT .90
4895 .033 .007 .058 .013 6 DNT .90
4831 .039 .008 .085 .016 8 DNT .90
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11.5 over mbc 158swc was my favorite load. 1.5" groups @ 25 yards out of my Blackhawk. Did I mention I really love my Rugers ? I have to get me one in 44Magnum.
Is #5 and #7 almost the same as #9 ? It seems you use less powder than #9 according to accurate data.
Is #5 and #7 almost the same as #9 ? It seems you use less powder than #9 according to accurate data.
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squarles67
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Accurate #9 and Enforcer do not look the same.
Both of these were purchased within the last 3 or 4 years.
Both of these were purchased within the last 3 or 4 years.
Clark
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squarles67,
Your picture makes them look similar, but AA#9 is more shiny.
Mine look the same to me under a microscope, but as groups, the Enforcer is more shiny.
Are there any other powders this small?
This is some small balls of powder!
squarles67
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They do in fact look similar but the #9 is flattened and the Enforcer is ball
The Enforcer is tiny indeed and leaks like crazy from my Auto Disk.
The Enforcer is tiny indeed and leaks like crazy from my Auto Disk.
Clark
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Here we go again.
In my samples:
95% of Enforcer are flattened, and 5% round.
5% or AA#9 are flattened, 95% are round.
They both measure between .010 and .012"
squarles67
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I would say that what I pulled from my cans yesterday was just the opposite but I don't have the time or patience to pull and measure a large enough sample to be meaningful. I suppose my point is I think I'll keep treating them as different powders.
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amd6547
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Can AA9 be used in 38spl?
I have a pound I bought for 44mag use 10yrs ago...never got around to loading more than 50rds using it.
I have a pound I bought for 44mag use 10yrs ago...never got around to loading more than 50rds using it.
squarles67
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Accurate doesn't have any data for it and in my opinion it's much too slow for 38 special
No, the burn speed is too slow to do well.
I have never used 2400, but it is in the same range as AA #9, give or take a little. Both are suited to similar applications.
If I had to choose, I would choose W-231 over AA #5, but I like both a lot, and since I do not have to choose, I use both.
Clark
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"presumably arrived-at by closed-bomb testing"
Hodgdon Olin relative quickness
H-335 WW-844 101
BL-C(2) WW-848 100
H-380 WW-452 99
------ WW-748 98
H-414 WW-760 95
H-450 WW-785 92
Winchester/Hodgdon
W231 / HP38 = Ramshot Zip
W540 / HS6 =True Blue
W571 / HS7
W296 / H110
W760 / H414
W785 / H450 (both obsolete)
WAP = Ramshot Silhouette
WC680 =AA1680 = H116
Accurate Arms/Ramshot
AA#9/Enforcer
W820 = H108
*POWER PISTOL
Win 231 = HP 38
Win 296 = H110
Win 760 = H414
Win 785 = H450
WC 844 = H335
WC 846 = BLC(2)
Win 540 = HS6
Win 571 = HS7
Hodgdon Olin relative quickness
H-335 WW-844 101
BL-C(2) WW-848 100
H-380 WW-452 99
------ WW-748 98
H-414 WW-760 95
H-450 WW-785 92
Winchester/Hodgdon
W231 / HP38 = Ramshot Zip
W540 / HS6 =True Blue
W571 / HS7
W296 / H110
W760 / H414
W785 / H450 (both obsolete)
WAP = Ramshot Silhouette
WC680 =AA1680 = H116
Accurate Arms/Ramshot
AA#9/Enforcer
W820 = H108
*POWER PISTOL
Win 231 = HP 38
Win 296 = H110
Win 760 = H414
Win 785 = H450
WC 844 = H335
WC 846 = BLC(2)
Win 540 = HS6
Win 571 = HS7
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