Accusations of Racism Outside of Milwaukee Gun Store

[Gato Montés]

Just got home from work and saw this on the local news.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/61564512.html

Whether it's true or not is up for debate, but from the few times I've actually gone there I almost always saw a police presence in the vicinity.

 

[Wishoot]

I've purchased a couple of guns through Badger and I usually stop in once or twice a month to see if they have anything interesting (they always do). Decent guys and they know a lot about guns. Just wish their range had better lighting.

I do notice a police presence there. But I've never noticed any of their customers getting pulled over after leaving the store.

 

[.45Guy]

I dunno about the accusations, but Badger does have a bad rap when it comes to weapons turning up used in crimes. FWIW, they usually had better prices than the Shooters' shop, though the little shop that used to be up on Brown Deer road was probably the best in the area. Also interesting to see that Walker's point is still a poo hole. I have oh so fond memories of hugging the ground while my neighbors' on south 3rd street decided to play OK corral.

 

[chuckusaret]

I believe there is more to the story then we are being told. I have no problem with a high police presence at any type business that has been associated with a high rate of crime, especially gun crimes. In today’s gun environment we can not allow any gun dealer to add ammo to the anti gun groups war against our 2nd amendment rights.

 

[Gato Montés]

dunno about the accusations, but Badger does have a bad rap when it comes to weapons turning up used in crimes. FWIW, they usually had better prices than the Shooters' shop, though the little shop that used to be up on Brown Deer road was probably the best in the area.

My dad was telling me about that store on Brown Deer and he too misses it. The last time I went to the Shooter's Shop all but one lane had some kind of thing wrong with it, whether it be the target carrier or the lights, so if I go to an indoor it's usually Badger. And Badger may be a little cheaper than Shooter's, but they still want 100 bones for any and all FFL transfers.

 

[D94R]

especially gun crimes

Ahem, crimes committed using a gun, not a gun crime. The gun didn't do it.

If you don't want to give the anti's any more ammo or support, don't drowned in their terminology.

 

[Monkeyleg]

The media has really twisted the "gun crimes" story.

The Milwaukee PD is one of the few (or maybe the only) departments to run traces on every gun that officers come across, regardless of whether the gun was used in a crime.

Badger has sold more guns than any other store in the state, so it stands to reason that they're going to have a lot of guns to trace.

Add to that the fact that they're on the edge of the ghetto and you've got the fixings for the #1 status.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Oh, the local newspaper is having a field day with this (and no doubt covering the police chief and mayor against accusations of racism). The story is here.

We should have a contest and give a prize to the person who can identify the greatest number of flawed arguments.

I love this: "Chisholm countered that Allan could require everyone who enters his store to show ID and be checked in a publicly available database for felony convictions. At a minimum, felons should be run so they cannot be allowed to take target practice at the store, the district attorney said."

How many additional employees would it take to run background checks on every customer who walks through the door? Who's going to pay for that? Also, why would it be necessary to run felons before they shoot on the range? If you know someone's a felon, it stops there, right?

Sheesh.

 

[tigeroldlone]

At the shop I go to we have cops in there at least once a week. The last sherif he was in there everyday when he got off work. I do think it is stupid to id some one for walking in, It would not work with my shop beucse he listed as a shoe shop and sells alot of them. He did thoe have a felon try to buy a gun from him once.

 

[Gato Montés]

"All 11 people referred to the district attorney and eight subsequently charged in the operation were African-Americans, according to police and court records.

Flynn said he isn't surprised by that fact because a majority of victims and perpetrators of gun violence in Milwaukee are African-American males.

"(Allan) clearly doesn't care a damn about the demographics of dead Milwaukeeans," Flynn said. "To try to wrap himself as a victim of racism is not only absurd, it is obscene""

But the store owner wasn't saying he himself was a victim of racism but that his African American clientele are, which is pretty much confirmed in the story. I mean am I reading this wrong, did Flynn mean something else by that comment, or is this whole thing as stupid as it appears to be???

 

[ar10]

There's a local gun store here in Columbus, OH that's the oldest and largest in Cen. OH. Because of the contracts they signed with all the major arms companies their prices are probably the lowest we can get.
The problem is they get all sorts of customers of just about every nationality, and they do get straw buyers where the guns were used in violent crimes. It really doesn't matter what "color" you are it happens. They are visited by BATF all the time and they have a pretty extensive video surveillance system. Employees who sell a particular gun to a customer and it turns up in a crime and ends in a court case the employee may or may not have to testify, (on their own time). From what I've heard the store gets a lot of heat from the feds because of the volume of guns in and out of the store.
Reading the article make me think the store owner is frustrated and angry and the sign is his way of fighting back.

 

[Monkeyleg]

AR10, I know the security measures this store takes to help the police and ATF nab the bad guys (although I'm not going to say what those measures are). Suffice it to say that, if law enforcement can make an arrest, they'll have plenty of evidence.

Back in 2000, the owners of Badger became suspicious of a guy who was buying a lot of guns. They alerted the BATF, and an agent was assigned. The BATF told Badger to continue selling to the guy. Finally, the guy was arrested for 26 straw purchases. However, the federal attorney declined to prosecute because he couldn't establish intent.

Today I received an email from a law enforcement officer directed to other law enforcement officers. This part of the email was interesting:

"Please keep this in mind if you have hunting/gun/ammo needs. They would
rather keep selling to thugs and felons (via an obvious third party) than
support the community."

If it was an "obvious" third party, that party would have been arrested.

I'm not a fan of Badger, but not for these reasons. I do think they're getting pilloried for things that are beyond their control.

How did things get out of control? Well, for one, the term "thugs" can't be used to describe criminals. About three years ago a police captain was fired for using the term "thugs" in an email to his officers.

The LEO who wrote that email I quoted had better hope it doesn't come to the attention of the brass, or he'll be the subject of a politically correct witch hunt.

 

[ServiceSoon]

As soon as you accuse somebody of being a racist, people turn off their mind and open their mouth.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Kind of like the person that accused in the first place.

 

[BrewCityProp]

CheP SHOT FROM BADGER GUNS

I live in the neighborhood and have been a customer using the range and buying guns from them.

Not pleased with ther racism charge.

Baseless.

Cooperate with the cops, i have seen bad gun handling on the range.

I have taken my wife and daughter here.

Racism is a cheap shot.

A quick ccap check is free.

(wi has a free website to confirm felony)

i have no problem with cops checking out buyers.

The staff is kowledgeable and can do a better job on this.

Don't play the race card here.

My two cents.

Brew

 

[CCWB]

That's like the game warden pulling me over for my Browning sticker!

Yes sir, I hunt. Got any good spots that you can put me on?

What the blue blazins you stop me for then?