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ACLU Sues State Police



01:00 AM EST on Tuesday, January 9, 2007

By Karen Lee Ziner

Journal Staff Writer

PROVIDENCE — The Rhode Island Affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union yesterday filed a federal lawsuit against the state police, alleging racial profiling and violation of the constitutional rights of 14 Guatemalan nationals during a July traffic stop that led to their detention by immigration officials.

Steven Brown, director of the Rhode Island affiliate, yesterday noted the unusual nature of the lawsuit filed by ACLU volunteer attorney V. Edward Formisano.

“It’s very rare for individuals like these plaintiffs to be willing to step forward and challenge questionable police practices that they’ve been subject to,” said Brown.

“The citizenship status of the plaintiffs is really irrelevant to this lawsuit. These were individuals who were in a van that was stopped for a minor traffic violation. The question is whether police have a right to detain individuals for no other reason than the way they look …”

Said Brown, “The law generally prohibits racial profiling on the highways. It prohibits stopping or searching vehicles based on the person’s race or ethnicity, all of which we think were present in this case. It also specifically bars police officers from detaining individuals in cars longer than necessary to address the initial traffic violation. From our perspective, that restriction was clearly violated in this case.”

The lawsuit names the State of Rhode Island, the state police, state police Supt. Steven M. Pare and Trooper Thomas Chabot individually; and a “Jane Doe” state trooper whose identity the ACLU was unable to establish.

State police spokesman Maj. Steven G. O’Donnell said yesterday, “We respect the ACLU’s right to file any lawsuit but we have reviewed this matter at length and continue to support Trooper Chabot’s actions. We also respect the court process and we’ll wait and see how the court rules” before making any comment.

The allegations stem from a traffic stop by Chabot early on July 11 on Route 95 in Richmond.

According to the lawsuit, Chabot pulled over a van operated by Carlos A. Tamup because Tamup had failed to use his turn signal when changing lanes.

The lawsuit alleges that Chabot first confirmed that Tamup’s license and registration were valid and that he had no criminal record.

“Chabot nonetheless proceeded to open the doors of the vehicle, and by utilizing Tamup as a translator, requested all the passengers to also provide identification,” according to an ACLU synopsis of the case. When some failed to do so, Chabot then asked them to produce documents “demonstrating their U.S. citizenship.”

When none of the 14 were able to do so, Chabot advised them that they would all be escorted to the federal Office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Providence.

Then, the lawsuit states, Chabot instructed Tamup, the driver, that he was responsible for the vehicle’s passengers, and that if any passenger attempted to escape from the van en route to Providence, that passenger would be “shot.”

Chabot and the trooper identified only as “Jane Doe,” then escorted the group to the Providence ICE office.

Formisano, the ACLU lawyer, is seeking a declaratory judgment that the defendants violated the constitutional rights of the driver and his passengers, and demands punitive and compensatory damages on behalf of the 11 plaintiffs. Besides Tamup, the plaintiffs are: Astrid G. Estrada, Wendy M. Estrada, Guilfredo E. Munoz, Jose A. Aquino, Cruz F. Rivera, Jose Burgos, Abelino M. Urizar, Israel Tebalan, Rolando Noriega, Boris R. Cruz, and Elsa Hernandez Villavicencio, all of Providence.

The lawsuit argues that the actions by the state police “violated the state’s Racial Profiling Prevention Act, as well as the driver’s and passengers’ constitutional rights to be free from discrimination and from unreasonable searches and seizures.”

The suit argues that the defendants “knew or should have known that the search, seizure and detention of the plaintiffs were without reasonable or probable cause, and were therefore unlawful under the circumstances.”

The lawsuit also steps into the heart of a national controversy over whether local police should be involved in enforcement of federal immigration laws.

Brown said, “To their credit, many police departments across the country have rejected the opportunity to enforce those laws for a number of reasons. I think first they recognize they don’t have the expertise with these laws … also, that doing so undermines trust in the communities that they serve. People in immigrant communities are going to think twice before they contact police if they’ve been victims of a crime, if they think they’ll be the ones who end up on trial.”

The van stop also rattled Rhode Island civil rights advocates, who during a public forum this summer and a subsequent news conference, criticized state police Superintendent Pare’s response to the incident. Pare ordered an internal review after the ACLU filed a complaint. That investigation cleared Chabot; Pare stated that Chabot acted “professionally and appropriately,” and denied racial profiling by the trooper.

The state police response to the first complaint “expressed complete satisfaction with the way the stop and detention occurred, which led to this lawsuit,” said Brown.
 
misleading title but par

“The citizenship status of the plaintiffs is really irrelevant to this lawsuit. These were individuals who were in a van that was stopped for a minor traffic violation. The question is whether police have a right to detain individuals for no other reason than the way they look
 
The lawsuit argues that the actions by the state police “violated the state’s Racial Profiling Prevention Act, as well as the driver’s and passengers’ constitutional rights to be free from discrimination and from unreasonable searches and seizures.”

the passengers have no constitutional rights because they are neither american citizens, nor legal residents. the very crux of their suit is a moot point. there has been talk even on this site of the value of supporting the ACLU. yet again, the organization proves that it cannot end up on the right side of an argument....it's almost as if they have a sickness that they cannot overcome.
 
the passengers have no constitutional rights because they are neither american citize

personal philosophy or you gonna claim some kinda precedent or regulation...
 
The officer asked the occupants for identification. Standard practice for every traffic stop I have been involved in with people in my vehicle. My friends have refused to give them ID at times and that was that. However, it appears that their lack of ability to produce ID rather than refusal to show it, i.e. "Umm... what ID? I don't know what you are talking about" instead of, "Am I required by law to show you my identification?" made the officer suspect something. So he found out they are illegals.

They should be deported and that should be the end of it. They aren't Americans and they have no rights in this country beyond their basic human rights that we should recognize. No beatings, no torture, an amenable lockup condition, basic saftey, etc... Just like any other CRIMINAL. Filing a federal lawsuit for discrimination is not one of those rights because they aren't an American citizen. They were criminals who were caught, they should be punished as such.
 
14 people stuffed in a van? :scrutiny:

Oh, yeah. THAT isn't suspicuous...if it's a large three-row van, with one in a passenger seat, that's two rows of four and one row of five. That'd look overcrowded from the outside, no wonder a cop would stop it.


And as someone else said, being illegals, they HAVE NO Constitutional rights!
 
The officer asked the occupants for identification. Standard practice for every traffic stop I have been involved in with people in my vehicle. My friends have refused to give them ID at times and that was that. However, it appears that their lack of ability to produce ID rather than refusal to show it, i.e. "Umm... what ID? I don't know what you are talking about" instead of, "Am I required by law to show you my identification?" made the officer suspect something. So he found out they are illegals.

Er... I've been quite a few times by police, they have never required identification from my passengers. Ever. Unless your state is different from Indiana, please don't make up stuff.

Basically the police screwed up here, no probable cause = illegal search. Suppose the 14 illegals were actually legals, then do they have a right to sue? I would think so, then the question is, do illegal aliens have some rights, and what are they. Legal precedent has established that non-citizens have certain rights.

The 14th amendment states
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Since illegal aliens are subject to US law (they ain't getting away with murder if they kill someone), then I think they have certain rights that legal aliens have.

I think threatening to shoot a passenger for trying to escape shows the mentality of the officer. She should not be allowed to hold a badge.
 
The way I see it is that if a cop finds marijuana in your coat/car/house and it is later determined to be an illegal search, the charges are dropped (or the judge dismisses the case). They don't give you the marijuana back, however!

Though the saying "the ends justify the means" is very rarely correct, in this case even if the search was illegal or the Trooper acted inappropriately, the police have a duty to detain the illegal aliens because they have not ceased to be illegal.
 
Though the saying "the ends justify the means" is very rarely correct, in this case even if the search was illegal or the Trooper acted inappropriately, the police have a duty to detain the illegal aliens because they have not ceased to be illegal.

The lawsuit doesn't want the illegals released, but
demands punitive and compensatory damages
 
I agree with that. Cops were wrong. Make them apologize, zero damages, zero punitive damages, illegals still stay in custody for deportation.

The threat to shoot them was not great, but I don't see how that changes anything.

So were just a few of the passengers illegal or were all of them illegal? Seems to me there should be a law about knowingly aiding and abetting an illegal alien with limits at least.
 
I don't see how there are any damages in this case. How do they come up with that? Lost income?
 
I'm guessing Rhode Island has a seatbelt law. If so it would have been proper for the trooper to issue citations to at least some of the passengers. Asking for ID usually goes along with issuing a citation. I think if the passengers he asked to present ID were unable to do so, it would have given him probable cause to ask the rest for ID and detain.
 
Illegal immigation is a federal issue--period. The Federal government, exclusively, has the job of making and enforcing immigation laws under our Constitution. The fact that the Feds have TOTALLY (and, I'd say, intentionally) dropped the ball on the issue is no excuse for state authorities to use pretextual means to harass people--this does not make us a better or freer people overall. Abuse of police powers against people you don't want around only creates precedents that can be used against you--and if you haven't noticed, gun people are not always the most popular folks at all times in many jurisdictions.

The solution to illegal immigration issues is to get federal representitives and officials elected who reflect (and act upon) the wishes of the CLEAR majority of American citizens. If our system is so broken that we cannot even do that, the rest of this is just peeing into the wind my friends.
 
The solution to illegal immigration issues is to get federal representitives and officials elected who reflect (and act upon) the wishes of the CLEAR majority of American citizens.
Unfortunately we don't have representative government....well it's representative of the wishes of mass media, not the wishes of the American people like it should be.
ANY solution is better than none. There are plenty of "Federal issues" that state and local LEO's enforce without any backlash from the media or ACLU. It seems as though immigration is a "special" issue.
 
I understood the 14th Amendment referred to citizens of the country traveling/visting between states thereby granting them the same legal protection under the constiution, not illegals.
 
Illegal immigation is a federal issue--period. The Federal government, exclusively, has the job of making and enforcing immigation laws under our Constitution. The fact that the Feds have TOTALLY (and, I'd say, intentionally) dropped the ball on the issue is no excuse for state authorities to use pretextual means to harass people--



This made me think of the catch and release policy. I guess the next time I get pulled over when asked for my license, registration and proof of insurance I will respond with “ no hable engish “ Being as I have blonde hair and blue eyes when the officer presses the issue it will be racial profiling.

It could work :uhoh:
 
Though the saying "the ends justify the means" is very rarely correct, in this case even if the search was illegal or the Trooper acted inappropriately, the police have a duty to detain the illegal aliens because they have not ceased to be illegal.

That's the most sense I've heard in a long while.
 
Why are they arguing about constitutional rights for these illegals?

The preamble of the constitution reads, "We the people of the United States of America...", not "We the people of some other central American country which the United States has no interest in..."!

What a bunch of maroons!
 
Where in the article did it say they were illegal immigrants?

I didnt see that.

Brown does not equal illegal. I am sorry but the officer was wrong.

If everytime you got pulled over you were asked to provide proof of citizenship would you be able to prove it? If you could not you would be arrested and they would start processing you for deportation? If th

CarlRodd the bill of rights protects everyone.
 
They're going to win a bunch of Rhode Island tax payer dollars because of the ACLU idiots.

Tell me again how wonderful the ACLU is? :uhoh:
 
I have

I've been quite a few times by police, they have never required identification from my passengers. Ever.

Well in NC they check out other ID's a lot. I was profiled and pulled over once for nothing, and searched, very frustrating. So I can understand how that is wrong. But why is it that if I don't have my license I GET A TICKET. If I don't have insurance I GET ARRESTED. But if I don't speak English and don't have anything it's RACIST to give me as much as a warning? . . . so I just go on about my merry way.


Officers in some states now are not encouraged to ask for ID if the driver is a suspected illegal immigrant. OR if the person is an II (illegal invader) they shouldn't do customs work. It's just too much hassle. . . (link to my own state) http://www.newsobserver.com/263/story/520918.html
"This is retarded!" - Napolean Dynamite

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