"Actor" Control

[kjeff50cal]

I've seen the list of anti-gun celebs (NRA & Pink Pistols) and of those 'actors' I wonder how many legally, because of mis-behavior off camera, should not be in possession of a firearm (even a 'prop'). I mean even a LEO who has had a past of domestic violence cannot possess a gun even if it is a part of his job.

One actor I can think of is 'Cheech' Marin (Cheech & Chong movies and Nash Bridges). He and his comedic partner, Tommy Chong were the poster children for recreational drug use in the '70s & '80s. Now because of his portrail of a SFPD detective he spoke to a national police chief's association .

I know there are others (lots). Thoughts all?

 

[Silver Bullet]

In general, I'm not in favor of denying folks their Constitutional rights because I don't agree with their behavior. I think it's a precedent that will give added meaning to "what goes around, comes around."

 

[Husker1911]

I've jaywalked. Would you deny me, too?

 

[akodo]

i'm against holding the types of characters or political beliefs of actors against their right to have a gun prop on set, per your example of cheech marin portraying pot usage in movies or even advocating it on thier own time.

however, an actor convicted of a serious crime that would prevent john q citizen from owning a firearm, such as 'marky mark' walberg's beating up of people, yea, they should be prosecuted for having a gun, even if it is a gun handed to them by a prop department man, if such a gun woudl get an average felon in trouble.

 

[kjeff50cal]

I've jaywalked. Would you deny me, too?

Jaywalking isn't on the 4473 form....... Yet, but controled substance abuse and domestic violence is. I mean if these laws were really actively enforced quite a few of our "action heros" may have to stick to Soap Operas or maybe Shakespear .

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Jaywalking isn't on the 4473 form....... Yet, but controled substance abuse and domestic violence is

I always wonder what kind of twisted, puritan, extremist mentality can equate beating your spouse with smoking a joint.

 

[kjeff50cal]

PBP consider the eras the 4473 form was first made, then revised. The drug abuse question was on the original form circa 1968. What was the Gov's biggest fears.... protesting dope smoking flower children and minorities getting guns to "put the rascals out."

The domestic violence question was part of a revised form at the dawn of the PC (Politically Correct) era (mid 1980s when they questionably reasoned that restraining orders were not enough to stop wife/GF beating men [the law also works against women that abuse men too, much to the chagrin of some ])

 

[Matthew748]

I've jaywalked. Would you deny me, too?

Question 12 E is phrased in the present tense on form 4473. "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to..." It does not ask about what you did 10 years ago.

To the original poster, yes hypocrisy gets on my nerves. What I do not like are hollywood types who make millions vilifying gun owners and glorifying violence on screen and then speak out on every anti-gun, anti self-defense topic that comes across their agent's desk. You would think they would put their money where their mouth is and refuse to work on shows and movies that depict firearms and violence. I don't think laws are the answer, I think people spending their money elsewhere is.

 

[gunsmith]

marky mark come to mind, and sean penn

mm has violent racist felonies and sean penn has DV convictions, sean penn even has a CA ccw, despite the DV convictions...penn was charged with felony domestic assault. He later pleaded to a misdemeanor charge!

I was under the impression that a misdeamnor DV resulted in loss of fire arm ownership......

it's 4 am I can not spell right at 4 am good night!

 

[Silver Bullet]

If you want to show your disapproval for an actor's behavior, the best way is to boycott his movies. There are quite a few on my "ignore" list.

Likewise, if a magazine or newspaper is anti-gun, don't subscribe. It's not enough to skip the anti- articles; your subscription money empowers them regardless of whether you read their articles.

 

[HighVelocity]

ICE T

 

[cbsbyte]

I am pretty sure most guns in movies are props. If they are not firing in the movie then they are probably just dummy guns that simulate a real working gun. I know stunt people use foam guns so they don't hurt themselves in the stunt. In most cases the firing guns in movies, are only blank firing. There is a company in Italy that makes a host of real looking pistols, from the DA .50AE to a simple PPK that only fire 8mm blanks. Yes, they do use some real guns in productions, which are adapted to only fire blanks, such as fully automatic guns, older rifes(cowboy, bolt actions etc) and shotguns. Do to lawsuits and saftey reason Hollywood changed over to blank only guns in the 1990s.

 

[beaucoup ammo]

Not What You Know..But Who You Know And Who You Are

Unfair? You bet. But in reality, celebrity and money will open doors closed to the majority. As for hypocrisy, the world's awash in it.

Nothing wrong with "Cheech" addressing a LEO convention. "What have you done (for me) lately" is all that matters.

I'd bet there are a few souls here who aren't the same as 20 - 30 years ago..me for one!

Take Care

 

[gunsmith]

I boycott marky marks movies

as well as sean penn's...I hardly go to any movies anymore but I can't even stomach those guys movies if they are on cable.

If actors would just concentrate on acting and giving and recieving std's
I would resume with movie going.
but the constant stream of lib propaganda makes me ill.

has anyone seen crash? the stupidest movie in decades, bareback mtn probably was better (i didn't see that one though)

 

[Silver Bullet]

If actors would just concentrate on acting and giving and recieving std's

 

[Zen21Tao]

I find myself really torn when a pro-gun actor I like is in a movie or show with an anti-gun actor I hate. Just imagine a movie with Tom Selleck and Martin Sheen as partners. :banghead:

 

[crsgw]

has anyone seen crash? the stupidest movie in decades, bareback mtn probably was better (i didn't see that one though)

I saw Crash in the theater. It was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I kept trying to fall asleep, but my wife kept waking me up.

I agree that actors should stick to acting and not try to get involved in politics. It gets me so p.o.'d to think that I am supposed to be anti-this or anti-that just because some actor tells me to be.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[gunsmith]

I should have clarified that

If actors would just concentrate on acting and giving and recieving std's

I meant to each other, I kinda doubt many hollywood starlets want to date me.

But if Jennifer Anniston is reading this , please email me I think we need to talk.

 

[beaucoup ammo]

If I Had Their (Actor's) Venue For Speaking Out

I'd offer up my own ideas. Granted they'd be Pro 2nd. Rather than whine about these folks speaking their mind, we could get off our collective asses and start doing more for our side.

You'd be surprised what letters to papers and politicians can accomplish. If you're already actively involved..more power to you..and thanks! If not, get off the pot.

Here, you're preaching to the choir.

 

[Leanwolf]

CBSBYTE - "I am pretty sure most guns in movies are props. If they are not firing in the movie then they are probably just dummy guns that simulate a real working gun. I know stunt people use foam guns so they don't hurt themselves in the stunt. In most cases the firing guns in movies, are only blank firing. There is a company in Italy that makes a host of real looking pistols, from the DA .50AE to a simple PPK that only fire 8mm blanks. Yes, they do use some real guns in productions, which are adapted to only fire blanks, such as fully automatic guns, older rifes(cowboy, bolt actions etc) and shotguns. Do to lawsuits and saftey reason Hollywood changed over to blank only guns in the 1990s."
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You're correct. Unless a firearm in a flick or teeeveee show is to be fired on screen, the firearms are fakes... or have been welded shut so no ammo can be fired.

Live ammo is NEVER used on the set. It's all done with special blank firing guns, special effects, CGI (Computer Generated Images), camera angles, sound tracks, and film editing.

Afterall, folks, it's SHOW BIZ!!

L.W.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I don't get pissed off with actors offering their own opinions I get pissed when they act as if their opinion is somehow more valuable than others just becuase they are actors. This includes the moonbats that somehow think being in films makes them an expert on a particular subject. And, I get especially pissed off when performers project their opinions out on others and then whine and cry (like the Dixie Chicks) when the public excesizes their opinion by not buying their ablums or going to see their movies. Performers that expect to preach their opinions with out being held accountable by those that disagree with them are the absolute worst.

 

[beaucoup ammo]

Zen21Tao

That nails it on the head. Celebrity is great, and more power to those who make it. HOWEVER, to accept an award and use the occasion to blast at whatever political burr is under your saddle at the moment is BS...regardless of your stance.

Well put.

 

[wingnutx]

I like Cheech. He kicked butt on Celebrity Jeopardy.