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Hmmm... does that mean morality and homosexuality are contradictory? Interesting...
News story on SF chapter of Pink Pistols
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Hmmm... does that mean morality and homosexuality are contradictory? Interesting...
stevelyn
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Uhmm.....folks? Nobody is asking you to change your orientation, lifestyle or whatever. I think it foolish to reject allies who are willing to stand with us on the right to keep and bear arms. Lifestyle, color, religion, species, and sexual orientation are irrelevant here.
Okay, species might be a little much, but hey you never know when a vistor from another planet might show up.
Okay, species might be a little much, but hey you never know when a vistor from another planet might show up.
winwun
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Swing, I wasn't going to touch that one with a 10 foot pole. (God, don't I wish ! !)
Abberations scare me. I am comfortable with the norm. I believe in Sagan's theory of natural selection. I just wish it were a little faster.
Zund, I think you're petty much on top of it, however the underlying denial of what is tacit is, I believe, the issue here.
Lets say you found what you sincerely believed to be a mint 1866 Winchester and upon examination found it to be marked "Miroku" and "Uberti" and a few other less-than-desireable indicators of its value being other than what was first supposed.
Let's say further, that it shot as straight, or straighter, than an original 66, its general workmanship was acceptable, (it fooled you to start with, right ?) and it would likely last as long as an "authentic" rendition of what you supposed (and hoped) it was to begin with.
Now for the biggie question: How many can answer this truthfully ?
Would you still value the piece or would you relegate it to its proper niche and be on the lookout for other such "impostors"?
Abberations scare me. I am comfortable with the norm. I believe in Sagan's theory of natural selection. I just wish it were a little faster.
Zund, I think you're petty much on top of it, however the underlying denial of what is tacit is, I believe, the issue here.
Lets say you found what you sincerely believed to be a mint 1866 Winchester and upon examination found it to be marked "Miroku" and "Uberti" and a few other less-than-desireable indicators of its value being other than what was first supposed.
Let's say further, that it shot as straight, or straighter, than an original 66, its general workmanship was acceptable, (it fooled you to start with, right ?) and it would likely last as long as an "authentic" rendition of what you supposed (and hoped) it was to begin with.
Now for the biggie question: How many can answer this truthfully ?
Would you still value the piece or would you relegate it to its proper niche and be on the lookout for other such "impostors"?
ElToro
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as hard core right wing as some of my friends think i am, they would be deeply surprised to know i voted for the gay marriage prop a few years back.. if you got a job (or some other means of income) and your paying your taxes, who cares what you do.. as long as its not costing me. and dont ask me to pay for it. i guess im more civil libertarian than anything else...
I think its great that we get more groups like this on "our" side.
I think its great that we get more groups like this on "our" side.
bogie
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The question: Does the person shoot, and support 2nd Amendment rights for all?
If Yes, they're my buddy.
If No, I'll try to persuade 'em.
If Yes, they're my buddy.
If No, I'll try to persuade 'em.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Besides, being a left hander, one who endured an attempt at forced "change" to being right handed in elementary school, I have some sympathy for gays, because I believe them when many say, "Why would one go out of his or her way to choose to be ostracized by family and society and be treated like a second or third rate citizen just for some sex?"
I believe the trait for homosexuality is as inherent as left-handedness, balding, juvenile diabetes, or any other non-normative thing that humans take in stride because they accept that it happens to people. Somehow, homosexuality has been cast as a "lifestyle choice" when in all likelihood, and the tighter logic, it is not.
Thank my lucky stars that left-handedness, the hand sinister is no longer considered a sign of being "touched" by demons or the Devil himself.
Besides, being a left hander, one who endured an attempt at forced "change" to being right handed in elementary school, I have some sympathy for gays, because I believe them when many say, "Why would one go out of his or her way to choose to be ostracized by family and society and be treated like a second or third rate citizen just for some sex?"
I believe the trait for homosexuality is as inherent as left-handedness, balding, juvenile diabetes, or any other non-normative thing that humans take in stride because they accept that it happens to people. Somehow, homosexuality has been cast as a "lifestyle choice" when in all likelihood, and the tighter logic, it is not.
Thank my lucky stars that left-handedness, the hand sinister is no longer considered a sign of being "touched" by demons or the Devil himself.
Mark Tyson
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"If the rest of you could shoot like them, I wouldn't care if the whole damn department was queer."
Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry, in Magnum force
Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry, in Magnum force
Oracle
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Does everyones morality have to coincide with yours to be legitimate, Westex? Thankfully, most civilized people in this day and age don't believe that to be the case.
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QuarterBoreGunner
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Ah. Morality.
All I wanted to do was post a nice little article from one of our weekly newspapers about members of a group, thought to be traditionally aligned with the left and lumped in with the majority of the anti-gun crowed, picking up arms and learning how to defend themselves and enjoy the shooting sports.
Morality. Such an interesting word. My ‘morals’ may differ wildly from yours. So may my politics and personal beliefs. In fact I sincerely hope that they do.
Homogenization is for milk.
All I wanted to do was post a nice little article from one of our weekly newspapers about members of a group, thought to be traditionally aligned with the left and lumped in with the majority of the anti-gun crowed, picking up arms and learning how to defend themselves and enjoy the shooting sports.
Morality. Such an interesting word. My ‘morals’ may differ wildly from yours. So may my politics and personal beliefs. In fact I sincerely hope that they do.
Homogenization is for milk.
Mark Tyson
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We need to align with groups like pink pistols. We have been losing ever since GCA 68 (or maybe NFA 34). Wake up! If we don't unite and add to our political base, it will only be a matter of time before the safety Nazis and their totalitarian allies come for our arms. This RKBA movement has to adapt to new political conditions if it is to survive intact. The best thing we could do is to reach out to gay/lesbian/whatever communities and bring them over to our side.
Gays have every right to defend themselves and every right to the means to defend themselves. Why antagonize consenting adults over what they do in bed? Who cares? What does it matter to you? You don't have to invite them over to dinner, just acknowledge their right to bear arms, the same right that all lawful citizens have.
Anyway, nice article.
Gays have every right to defend themselves and every right to the means to defend themselves. Why antagonize consenting adults over what they do in bed? Who cares? What does it matter to you? You don't have to invite them over to dinner, just acknowledge their right to bear arms, the same right that all lawful citizens have.
Anyway, nice article.
Ewok
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The study was by the Kinsey Institute, in the mid 40s, and did not have a mathematical error.
Tamara
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A discussion about Pro-2nd Amendment groups is a good thing.
The associated discussion about the morality or lack thereof of various stuff is way OT.
I would respectfully suggest a sudden veer topic-ward.
The associated discussion about the morality or lack thereof of various stuff is way OT.
I would respectfully suggest a sudden veer topic-ward.
an unlikely ally in troubling times.
who better to understand this oppression of the 2nd amendment than those who live an alternate lifestyle?
never saw a gun owner beat to death. yet
never saw a gun owner dragged behind a truck. yet
never saw a gun owner prohibited from joining the military. yet
never saw a gun owner ..............................
you get the picture, course (biased opinion here skip if faint of heart______________)
i liked em in the closet instead of marchin down the street naked, or having laws passed that turn a simple bar fight into a hate crime, or when its thrown into your face an theres nuthin you can do about it cuz then im a heathen????
no problem with gays at all, i just dont see the point of runnin around town having marches an parades at tax payers expens and getting special days at disneland just for choosing a partner thats on the same side?
my dime
who better to understand this oppression of the 2nd amendment than those who live an alternate lifestyle?
never saw a gun owner beat to death. yet
never saw a gun owner dragged behind a truck. yet
never saw a gun owner prohibited from joining the military. yet
never saw a gun owner ..............................
you get the picture, course (biased opinion here skip if faint of heart______________)
i liked em in the closet instead of marchin down the street naked, or having laws passed that turn a simple bar fight into a hate crime, or when its thrown into your face an theres nuthin you can do about it cuz then im a heathen????
no problem with gays at all, i just dont see the point of runnin around town having marches an parades at tax payers expens and getting special days at disneland just for choosing a partner thats on the same side?
my dime
About the disneyland days- those aren't officially recognized by Disney, the parks have nothing to do with it. It's pretty much a few thousand gay people gathering on the same day. I doubt disney would ever officially recognize the day, it would be bad for business. As for the parade thing, i'll admit that those should not be payed for by taxpayers. Should they still have them? If they're privately funded and there's nothing inappropriate (marching down the street nekkid comes to mind) then of course they should.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
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Sexual orientation has little or nothing to do with indvidual responsibility. Kaliforny and Hell-inann don't trust individuals to any degree. Classic liberal elitist/sheeple mentality.
The funsamental part about all this is that you can't rape a porcupine. Porcupines are NOT predators. In SF, it's guilty until proven innocent. Hallinann's fired, the snot. I fire a LOT of politicians. For some reason no-one respects my authority. Stupid state.
The funsamental part about all this is that you can't rape a porcupine. Porcupines are NOT predators. In SF, it's guilty until proven innocent. Hallinann's fired, the snot. I fire a LOT of politicians. For some reason no-one respects my authority. Stupid state.
) your the one that has to face the big guy upstairs. Not anyone else.Tamara
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In all fairness, this has strayed far enough from the original topic.
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