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From Newsday ( http://www.newsday.com/news/local/w...13,0,3880588.story?coll=ny-region-apnewjersey ):

Wild West actor in coma after being shot in head during show

July 13, 2006

BYRAM, N.J. (AP) _ Sussex County authorities are investigating the shooting of an actor who played a gunfighter at a western-themed amusement park.

Scott Harris, 37, of Netcong, has been in a coma since Friday when he collapsed during a staged gunfight at Wild West City, First Assistant Prosecutor William Fitzgibbons said.

Emergency responders didn't realize at first that Harris had been struck since the only indication of injury was a scratch on the head. But after being examined at the hospital, doctors discovered that he had been shot.

Authorities say they are unsure exactly what type of projectile struck Harris, whether it was a bullet, a bullet fragment or something else. It remains lodged in his brain.

"Nobody feels comfortable with any conclusions, because we have none yet," Fitzgibbons told The Star-ledger of Newark for Thursday's newspapers.

Also unknown is whether a participant in the show, depicting a mock gunfight, or an audience member caused Harris' injury, Fitzgibbons said.

Part of the problem is what Fitzgibbons called the "mishmash" of guns that actors use in the staged gunfights. Some of the weapons are owned by the actors themselves; others are owned by the park. Some weapons are similar to starter pistols, while others are real guns that fire blank cartridges, Fitzgibbons said.

Investigators are trying to determine whether a bullet fragment or some other object remained in a gun barrel from the last time its owner used it, Fitzgibbons said.

Harris was in critical condition at University Hospital in Newark.

His family's minister, the Rev. Hugh Matlack of the First Presbyterian Church in Stanhope, told the newspaper they are certain Harris was wounded by a bullet.

"He's been seen by three different physicians ... and every single one has said that he was shot with a bullet," Matlack said.

The clergyman said Harris had worked at the theme park on and off for years.

"He is a fun-loving, affable, sweet guy," Matlack told The Daily Record of Parsippany for Thursday's newspapers. "He is so good with people. He is such a gentle soul."

Wild West City has been a popular tourist attraction for 50 years.
 
The reason movie studios either have a crew to handle prop guns or hire an outfit for that purpose is to prevent killing actors.

That the production was so sloppy as to allow any old thing to be used and that they did not have a knowledgable and/or licensed gun handler should be held against them.
 
Recall John Eric Hexum (sp?)

about 15-20 years ago accidentally killed himself on a movie set, pointing a revolver loaded with blanks at his head and pulling the trigger. Darwin at work.:uhoh:
 
about 15-20 years ago accidentally killed himself on a movie set, pointing a revolver loaded with blanks at his head and pulling the trigger. Darwin at work.

Is he the guy from Voyagers!? I loved that show as a kid.
 
mrmeval is correct. As soon as I read "Some of the weapons are owned by the actors themselves; others are owned by the park", I was thinking that can't be good. Sounds like they had little to no control over the guns used in the show, and that's a formula for the exact tragedy that occurred.
 
Is he the guy from Voyagers!? I loved that show as a kid.

Nope. He was in a TV series called "Cover-up".

Of course, Brandon Lee is proof that even those with experience handling gun props screw up too.

Then again, it could be a copycat of a Matlock and a Spencer for Hire episode where someone used a real bullet to kill the guy while blending in with the other shooters. :)
 
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Is he the guy from Voyagers!? I loved that show as a kid.

Nope. He was in a TV series called "Cover-up".
He was on "Voyagers" in 1982. "Cover up" in 1984, was the show he was on when he died. For those who don't know how he died. He was on set during a break, and had a .44 Magnim with blanks, and jokingly put it to his head and fired, the wading drove skull fragments into his brain and he died in the hospital.

That's bad news that they allow the actors to use their own guns. I smell a lawsuit....
 
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I'll bet that they started thinking like they were playing with toys... I'll bet it's a wad or something like that, and was fired at close range - they didn't think it'd do more than paintball (argh...), but 10,000+psi does magical things...
 
Of course, Brandon Lee is proof that even those with experience handling gun props screw up too.
Did I hear Lee was killed when the wading from a blank round hit him in the temple? Don’t know if this is true or not; sounds like the type of phony excuse people make up to try to cover up their own mistake.

Anyway, with the doctors in this latest case quoted as saying they don’t know what hit the victim, could this be wading from a blank? Perhaps a defective blank with too much power/wading?
 
Brandon Lee's death

Did I hear Lee was killed when the wading from a blank round hit him in the temple? Don’t know if this is true or not; sounds like the type of phony excuse people make up to try to cover up their own mistake.

Brandon Lee was killed by a real bullet. The Weapons Handler for that movie was loading casings with dummy primers in them and no powder with real bullets so that a straight on shot looking down the barrel/cylinders of the .357 looked loaded. When the Weapons Handler accidentally failed to replace one real primer with a fake one, the actor pulled the trigger for the shot into the camera and the primer discharged causing a "squib." Later, for a shot of Brandon Lee and the BG, the BG actor had the same gun but this time loaded with hot blanks. He pointed the gun at Brandon's chest and fired just as planned. The hot blank shot the squib loaded right out of the barrel and into Brandon. No wadding, reall bullet. About 6-8 feet away.
Terrible tragedy. I thought finishing the movie after he died was a bit harsh. I'm not sure where the profits for that movie went but it sure should have gone to the Lee family.
 
Brandon Lee was shot with the .44. I understood that Hexum put a PPK (his character's weapon) loaded with blanks to his head.

Then again, according to IMDB.com, I'm wrong.
 
I'm leaning twoards the "Brandon Lee" theroy. I had heard the "squib" from the dummy bullet just worked itself loose and got into the barrel, but not the live primer makes sense, as even a poorly crimped bullet wouldn't be able to just slide into the forcing cone of a revolver on it's own. The worst it could have done is either fallen out of the 3 and 9 o-clock chambers, or slid forward at the 12 or 6 o-clock where the barrel and frame cover the cylinder, and hung up the action.

It would have had to have been propeled to get it in the barrel.

If it's a real pistol, there may have been a squib in the barrel, from a previous shooting session, or a live round was put in with the blanks without checking. I'm thinking a flush seated wadcutter might conceivably get mixed in with .38 blanks and not get noticed if the person was inatenttive.
 
Even with guns firing blanks, they should never be pointed directly at someone during a staged preformance. Depending on where the audience is located, firing at a person and firing past a person appear the same from certain angles. But staged gunfire takes lots of choreography and adherance to rigid weapon control and inspection rules. Most of these tragedies consist of a whole series of mistakes or safety violations to kill someone, in each case it would have only taken one thing going right to avert it.

Tex
 
Two bad things happened. A tragedy involving a firearm critically wounding a person and will probably cause the show to close. Also he was taken to University Hospital in Newark. When I worked in Newark in the '70's, I and all my coworkers wanted to go anywhere but there (I think it was called Martland or the College of Medicine and Dentistry at the time). Joe
 
A lot of folks forget that the gas pressure from the muzzle can cause significant damage or death all by itself, with no need for a projectile.
 
Remember all those John Wayne movies...

...That he used that blond wood handled Colt and that large-ring M-92 in? Those were his personal guns.
 
Hexum was definitely shot with a .44Mag. I remember reading and hearing about it at the time of the incident. Kinda irritated me that his folks wanted contributions to be given to some anti organization--can't remember which one now.

From what I found on the web, it appears that Lee was also shot with a .44 caliber handgun.
 
Perchance we shouldn't discount the conspiracy theory. After all, this is N.J., land of the proposed Smart Gun and no real right to carry.

What if....an anti brought in a .22 and just took a shot, intending just a flesh would, never thinking it would result in that kind of damge.

This mystery needs to be solved.
 
We got a briefing from some of the officers who investigated the death of Jon-Eric Hexum, years ago at an officer involved shooting investigation school put on by LAPD's OIS unit. IIRC, Hexum's gun was a Charter Arms Backpacker, a custom Bulldog done by MagnaPort. It was loaded with standard Hollywood 5-in-1 blanks, which apparently fit its .44 Special chambers. Joking around because of a delay on the set, he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The pressure from the blank cartridge at muzzle contact blew a chunk of skull the size of a quarter into mid-brain. They shut him off at the hospital after EEG showed no sign of brain activity. (There was some question how much brain activity there was BEFORE Hexum performed this act.)

As Zoom6zoom wisely noted earlier, a full power blank can do enough damage to easily kill with a muzzle contact shot.

My understanding of the Brandon Lee incident is that a .44 slug had come loose in one CHAMBER of the Model 29's cylinder, from a poorly assembled dummy cartridge. The dummies had been loaded earlier for a close-up shot of the revolver from the front, and when it was unloaded it somehow went un-noticed that the poorly crimped projectile had remained in the forward portion of the chamber. When the short blank cartridge behind it was discharged, the powder charge was enough to drive the bullet most of the way through Lee's torso.
 
Yeah - blanks ain't toys...

When I was a boy scout, we'd go to the Perryville reenactment of one of the war between the states battles... Scouts would camp on one ridge, and the reenactors on the other. And until about midnight or so, there tended to be "skirmishes."

Until one year a group of scouts was "taken prisoner," and the CO of the reenactors was walking up the line with a bp revolver, and semi-accidentally shot one of the kids in the face, blinding him.

No more war games after that one...
 
Thanks for the "real-life" input, Mas. Interesting to hear the inside details. Also rather horrifying, considering the ignorance displayed in both cases . . . :mad:
 
In the Bruce Lee incident it was my understanding that they were too cheap to hire a gun person. They were making , from live ammo, dummies [popped primer,no powder,lead bullet] ,blanks [live primer, powder,wax wad] and of course the live rounds..One of the dummies had a live primer , which was fired and the bullet lodged in the barrel.The gun was then put away for some time .It was then used with blanks and the blank fired pushing the bullet into Bruce. What ever the details it involved lots of stupidity ; no gun knowledgeable person, no actors trained in gun handling ,no clearly defined safe proceedures ,pointing guns at people.
 
On a vacation trip out west I attended a western show. The actors gave a neat safety lecture about their craft and gun handling, including blowing apart a soda can (Coke) with a blank round. Their rules included:

Treating every gun as loaded.
Every actor checked every round was a blank and watched each weapon being loaded.
When the action started, guns were aimed away from people as an additional precaution.

They also specifically mentioned the Hexum incident.

Geoff
Who paid attention, so did all the kids in the audience after the Coke can was blown up.
 
Blank firing on Hill Street Blues

A few months before the Hexum incident, Hill Street Blues had an episode where the Swat Leader tried to suicide but another cop had substituted blanks in his revolver. The Swat Leader came in the next day (next episode) with a small bandage on his temple.

I've always wondered if Hexum was influenced by this Hill Street Blues story.
 
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