Adams revolver ?

[dirty dave]

I traded for this. Does anyone know anything about these. It has British stamps and three digit serial number.Caliber is at least 45 maybe a 455 or 450

 

[Salmoneye]

Pics, or it didn't happen...

Is this the one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont–Adams_revolver

 

[kcofohio]

Is it a 450 Adams cartridge?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.450_Adams

 

[Salmoneye]

The original Adams here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Adams_(handgun_designer)

 

[dirty dave]

I added picture

Any one know of a good site with picture for British revolvers.

 

[Sunray]

That's a Webley of some type. Might be a commercial target revolver by the barrel length. Just a guess. .455 and later .38/200(.38 S&W with a 200 grain lead bullet).
Don't like using Wikipedia, but this entry isn't horrible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley_Revolver

 

[Tallball]

I seem to remember them as a separate company.

 

[Nom de Forum]

It may be a "Pass" pastiche of several British designs. Please provide a photo of the other side. I see nothing like it in my copy of Webley Revolvers by Bruce and Reinhart.

 

[Jim K]

Can we get pictures of the markings? It doesn't look like a British revolver, more like a "Khyber Pass" copy. Better pictures could help either way.

Jim

 

[jerkface11]

That thing is awesome!!

 

[Nom de Forum]

Can we get pictures of the markings? It doesn't look like a British revolver, more like a "Khyber Pass" copy. Better pictures could help either way.

Jim

I agree it looks like a "Pass" aka "Khyber Pass" revolver but I do not think it is a copy of any one revolver. It looks a little like a poor copy of a frame for latter model W.G. or Military Mark hinged framed Webley with a poor copy of an early Number 4 Webley barrel/cylinder assembly. Note there does appear to be a barrel latch of the type of earlier or latter models of Webley hinge framed revolvers. We really need to see some more photos.

 

[Beagle-zebub]

The trigger guard looks like a Russian Smith and Wesson No. 3--that weird thumb-rest. It's like they combined the Smith with an Adams.

 

[Nom de Forum]

BTW, why does anyone think this thing looks like an Adams revolver? I don't see any resemblance.

 

[dirty dave]

More pictures

Sorry the pictures are not that good I could only find my phone to take them with.

 

[Nom de Forum]

Sorry the pictures are not that good I could only find my phone to take them with.

O.K. It has a cylinder pin and extractor very similar to a Gasser 11mm Montenegrin-type revolver. It has a frame, barrel, barrel latch, and front sight similar to a Ludwig Loewe copy of a S&W Third Model Russian. What is the length of the barrel? Still looking for an exact match but I also still wonder if it is not a pastiche of several designs created at a shack in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

 

[dirty dave]

Barrel is 10.5 inches long. Has three stamps top one is a crown over a R, Second is a crown over L, The third is hard to make out not like the crowns over a backwards P. Could this be a Belgium Warnant revolver? I have been checking myself.

 

[Nom de Forum]

Barrel is 10.5 inches long. Has three stamps top one is a crown over a R, Second is a crown over L, The third is hard to make out not like the crowns over a backwards P. Could this be a Belgium Warnant revolver? I have been checking myself.

It may be a military version of a Warnant. It does not have a folding trigger like the non-military types but is very much like the S&W types they copied. I think you may be on to something with the idea it is a Warnant.

Edit: I think you got it right as a Warnant made for the Russians. Warnant did create revolvers for the Russians that had the trigger guard hook. The barrel latch does not match the Warnants I am seeing on the web but it is the type the Russians would be familiar with from their S&Ws.

Thank you for posting about this very interesting revolver.


Edit #2: The stamped marks make me think the crown over the R is the Belgian proof mark for rifled firearms, the crown over the L may be a Belgian proof mark representing their King Leopold, the crown over the backwards P may be intended to represent a cyrillic R for Russia or more likely the Russian royal family name of Romanov.

 

[dirty dave]

The grip does have a threaded hole in the bottom for the ring. So might be military

 

[lewwallace]

what it isn't

Not even close to Webley(only made thumb lever release mechanisms) Adams never made a top break. Khyber copys, while poorly made, were too close to Webleys original design to mistake as any other variant. Eibar in Spain made alot of copies of s&w #3 and Russians, but the 'finial' cylinder axle cover is very like Belgian and French copies of English f/a's, but not the same as in a Pryse revolver. Continental gun makers used all kinds of variants of British guns in their attempt to compete. My guess, a Spanish copy. They copied the Smith release as in your gun. Made a bunch in 455ca during this period, late 1800's

 

[Jim K]

I don't think it is European. Both Belgian and Spanish guns would have been nicely made and finished. Look at the hinge area of the frame, perfectly flat with no bevel. And the dents that look like (and might be) from welding. The barrel, on the other hand, looks fairly good, supporting the idea that the frame might have been made in the East, using a barrel and maybe cylinder made in Europe.

So, a made up gun? A heavily repaired gun? A "Pass" gun? Anyway, a curiosity but little more. The collecting value - zero. The speculation value - priceless.

Jim

 

[alexander45]

Looks like a warnant to me


"Warnant's "Russian export" revolvers with finger hook triggerguard and hinged frame with Smith & Wesson's latch design. Note also a barrel rib similar to Smith & Wesson Russian model. Pocket-sized revolvers were chambered for .380 Enfield (9 x 20 R) caliber commercial cartridges, also known as .38 Smith & Wesson (Short; not Special), loaded by Cartoucherie Russo-Belge in Liège, Belgium since 1890 until the First World War.

Bigger Military & Constabulary Model was chambered for 9 mm (.38 S & W/ .380 Enfield) or .44 S & W Russian cartridges.* "

And one with the same grips

 

[Jim K]

Looks like the same gun to me. The trigger guard hook makes no difference as trigger guards would have been interchangeable depending on what a customer wanted,

IMHO, the gun has been identified. (After looking more carefully at the OP's pictures, I think the hinge area of the frame has been repaired by welding and was not made that way.)

Jim