Advice Re: Shotgun for Girlfriend

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kyoung05

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Ok, so recently the girlfriend and I started shooting trap. We both like it a lot, and plan to continue going in the future. Up until now, she has been shooting either my 12ga 870 Wingmaster with 30" VR barrel, or my 20ga H&R Handi-Rifle. The 870 seems too long for her, the H&R is way too short (for some odd reason, we both have to raise the stock up so that just the bottom corner is touching the top of our shoulder to get it to line up right).

I had her try to hold a Mossberg 500 in 20ga, thinking the LOP would be shorter, but it was still a tad long. From looking at the displays in the store, it seemed like the stocks on the 20ga 500's were about 1" shorter than the 12ga, but I could have been mistaken.

I believe she needs a stock with a 13" LOP, approximately. So, I've been looking primarily at youth-sized models. The problem is, none of the local stores seem to have anything in youth sizes for her to try. Another "problem" is that all youth-sized guns seem to come with a short barrel, usually in the 22" range. Is this common? My concern is that the barrel will be too short to effectively shoot trap, which is the whole point of getting her the shotgun in the first place. Am I wrong? Is the whole gun just scaled down proportionally so that a 22" barrel on a youth model "feels" like a 26" barrel on a normal sized gun? I'd prefer not to have to deal with buying a youth-sized gun and then trying to find a full length barrel, if possible.

So, I think my options are to just get a youth sized model and have her try it to see if it works, and if not, try to find a longer barrel. Or, buy a full-sized gun with a full length barrel, then buy a Hogue short stock set. Which would you guys recommend? My girlfriend is about 5'5" and has no problem shooting either my 12ga or my 20ga (truth be told, the H&R 20ga kicks harder than the 12ga 870).

As for youth models, I've narrowed it down to an 870 youth 20ga w/ 21" barrel, Mosserg Bantam 20ga w/ 22" barrel, Charles Daly youth 20ga w/ 22" barrel, or a Benelli Nova youth 20ga 24" barrel.

Price is a concern, and while I'd like to keep it as low as possible (since it's just a recreational gun), I'd be willing to spend a bit more for the right gun. As it stands, it seems like the Benelli nova youth would be perfect, but it is also the priciest - probably at least $450 out the door. Anyways, what do you guys think?
 
Get a Wenig "New American" style or the new "Wenig Ladies" stock. (go to "Styles" in the left column -- top two selections.)

I have an 870 with a Wenig New American and it is great for Trap. The high offset comb and toe out makes it fit into one of your shoulders but not the other. It will only fit one of you.

It worked for me, YMMV.
 
My neice came down before Christmas for a visit and a session of Defensive Shotgun 101. Part of the plan was for her to go home with a shotgun as a Christmas pesent. Her aunt and I laid out a table of shotguns, 12 and 20 gauge, with various length stocks. What she chose after shooting everything on the table was a box stock Remington 870 Express Youth model in 20 gauge.

There was a 12 gauge on the table set up the same way- 13" LOP, 21" vent rib barrel. She found the 20 gauge easier to manage, so that's what she shot during the class, and it's what she took home with her. I'd say the barrel is just proportional to the rest of the gun, and it seems to work OK.

Help her handle as many different guns as you can, shoot as many as possible, and listen to what she wants...

JMHO, YMMV,

lpl
 
comb height

There’s one thing you should look into is the comb height of the stock. From what I noticed women usually need a higher comb compared to a stock that will fit a man. It probably has to do with the width of the shoulders and women usually have longer necks then men.
 
The more things she tries the more likely she will find something that works for her.
I’m lucky were I shoot trap, there a bunch of folks that are very willing to help new shooters. Some times its advice and some times it “Try this gun, I got it for my kid when he/she was first learning. I think it might fit for you a bit better.” (especially for smaller shooters).

Getting fitted to a shotgun is important to helping a new shooter do well and enjoy shooting.
 
I've had the same experience where a 20 ga kicked harder than my 12 ga. The difference is the lighter gun weight of the 20 ga. If you pursue a 20 ga try to get one that is heavier. A synthetic stock makes the gun cheaper and too light. I have taken the recoil pad off my H&Rs and poured about 1 1/2 pounds of lead shot into the stock to get them up to 6 1/2 pounds which is still too light. A Trap shotgun can and should be heavier since you won't be carrying it in the field.
 
Thanks everyone for the great advice. I'll discuss it further with her and see what she'd like. I'll update the thread if/when we make a decision.
 
This is actually a problem that I'm currently trying to address around here! My 5'0" tall wife likes to shoot, and wants a pump shotgun that she can use for trap. But, she's also sold on a 12ga, and hasn't been able to find one that wasn't too long for her.

I would also say that she needs to be in the 13" LOP range. Tough to find a gun that will meet these needs!
 
coloradokevin said:
This is actually a problem that I'm currently trying to address around here! My 5'0" tall wife likes to shoot, and wants a pump shotgun that she can use for trap. But, she's also sold on a 12ga, and hasn't been able to find one that wasn't too long for her.

I would also say that she needs to be in the 13" LOP range. Tough to find a gun that will meet these needs!

Exactly! I think you may want to check out the Browning BPS Micro - 12ga pump, ~13" LOP, and 28" barrel. The only downside is that it's spendy at approx. $600, but it's a gorgeous gun.
 
I would also say that she needs to be in the 13" LOP range. Tough to find a gun that will meet these needs!

Not tough at all. Wood furniture = easy adjustability, just get it cut down to fit properly and have a premium grind-to-fit recoil pad installed at the same time. Any decent gunsmith should be able to do that in his sleep. :)

lpl
 
Not tough at all. Wood furniture = easy adjustability, just get it cut down to fit properly and have a premium grind-to-fit recoil pad installed at the same time. Any decent gunsmith should be able to do that in his sleep.

That would be my exact suggestion. My small statured daughter also found the semi-auto easier to handle. She only weighs about 97 pounds. Her gas operated 1100 is softer on her small shoulders than the pump. I had the monte carlo wooden stock cut to fit her properly, and she doesn't need long arms to pump it.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
 
milkmaster said:
That would be my exact suggestion. My small statured daughter also found the semi-auto easier to handle. She only weighs about 97 pounds. Her gas operated 1100 is softer on her small shoulders than the pump. I had the monte carlo wooden stock cut to fit her properly, and she doesn't need long arms to pump it.

Good point! While my wife is not at all recoil sensitive, I do have concerns regarding the reach that is required to pump most shotguns. Perhaps an autoloader with a cut down stock would be the ideal solution to this problem after all!
 
I had her try to hold a Mossberg 500 in 20ga, thinking the LOP would be shorter, but it was still a tad long. From looking at the displays in the store, it seemed like the stocks on the 20ga 500's were about 1" shorter than the 12ga, but I could have been mistaken.

Mossberg makes more than one short-LOP gun: http://mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=22&display=specs

There's also this little-known version of the Beretta 3901 gas-operated semiauto (very soft shooting) with an adjustable 12-13" LOP, and adjustable comb.

$1000 MSRP which should translate into about $800-850 street. Not bad for a quality adjustable target gun.

https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProdu...k=2100000084:3100001360:3100001381:4100001525

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