AFS plate for Glocks

[HRnightmare]

My buddy sent me a text from somewhere in Europe asking if I ever heard of AFS Glock "devices". He said they are all over the place in Europe.

I have never heard but from what I understand from a brief internet search is it looks like its something that replaces the back plate and turns the gun into an full auto weapon?

Is that accurate? What does AFS mean?

Why would these be so readily available in a place were guns are so grossly restricted / banned.

 

[HRnightmare]

And no I am not being cryptic, thats literally all I got and haven't heard back. I think he was flying somewhere . I also have no idea where he is.

 

[Midwest]

I found a reference to it. Sounds highly illegal.

They were made in Germany or Venezuela according to this thread and the "ATF trying to track down the units that people had shipped to them"

http://3gn.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=13&t=27358

Also

"There was a device you could order out of Germany that was drop in"


Or

"The AFS conversion backplates were invented by some guy from Venezuela, I believe, and a short trigger pull gives a three round burst, while holding the trigger back goes full auto at something like 1,300 rpm. The are legal to own in many countries but not to install. In Europe they go for around Euro 70."
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[Ryanxia]

Yes, lots of folks make their own. I looked on the ATF's website a few years back and they have a few pictures and descriptions of examples of them.

Obviously to install in your Glock (making it full auto) they are illegal if you get caught, however to my knowledge the device it self (which is basically just a ramp stuck to the end plate) is legal to possess provided you are not in possession of a firearm that can take it (constructive possession).

Kind of like a full auto drop in auto sear (only I don't believe the Glock piece needs any other components).

 

[HRnightmare]

I found a reference to it. Sounds highly illegal.

I think that wasthe same article I found. I hope he isn't planning on buying any of them. I don't know if they are illegal to posess or just intall but there is no purpose in having magic beans if you can't ever grow a beanstalk.

 

[SuedePflow]

I got to fire a Glock 17 at Knob Creek a few years ago that had one of these installed (legally).

There's a few places online that sell unfinished kits. Apparantly it is legal to sell the pieces to anybody because the still require finishing machine work to make them usable.

 

[Elkins45]

I got to fire a Glock 17 at Knob Creek a few years ago that had one of these installed (legally).

There's a few places online that sell unfinished kits. Apparantly it is legal to sell the pieces to anybody because the still require finishing machine work to make them usable.

There was a pre-86 Glock 17 in the registry? Or a post-86 dealer sample?

 

[Willie Sutton]

^^ 07 FFL's toy, likely. I've shot one as well, and it's fun to contemplate defending the interior of a phone booth with one. Not much else you can do with one.


Willie

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[SDC]

These have been made by a number of outfits, and I've fired one in a forensic collection; basically, the backplate has an angled step out the front, which can be cammed in and out by pushing a selector button on the backplate left and right. In the "auto" position, that angled step protrudes just far enough forward to force the back of the trigger bar downwards as the slide goes back into battery, causing the pistol to fire as long as the trigger is squeezed. The cyclic rate on these is easily around 1000 rpm (faster in the lighter-slide models), so a standard magazine MIGHT last for three bursts if you're fast on the trigger, and they climb like an absolute beast. I found it easier to keep a full mag on a silhouette when using a frame stock that slid into the rear of the frame, but that sort of defeats the purpose of a FA handgun. Pretty well a waste of time, money, and ammo, unless you happen to be sharing a couch with someone who wants you dead.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Lots of 07s have these and they work well in a carbine application like a Roni. There is a guy in Canada who says he will "ship discreetly" and the page looks amature in a practiced way.

Mike

 

[SuedePflow]

There was a pre-86 Glock 17 in the registry? Or a post-86 dealer sample?

Willie got it, dealer sample. An he was making good money with it too at $25 per mag dump.

 

[HRnightmare]

Thanks for all the info.

 

[Swing]

The device, all by itself, installed or otherwise, is a "machine gun" as far as ATF is concerned (emphasis added):

Q: Are Glock conversion devices legal?
A Glock conversion switch is a part designed and intended for use in converting a semiautomatic Glock pistol into a machinegun; therefore, it is a “machinegun” as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b). Glock conversion devices are considered post-May 19, 1986 machineguns and may only be lawfully possessed by properly licensed Federal Firearms Licensees who have paid the appropriate Special Occupational Tax (SOT) required of those manufacturing, importing, or dealing in National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms.

Conversion is fast and simple requiring no technical expertise. Conversion requires removal of the original polymer slide cover plate and replacing it with the conversion device, typically made of metal. By switching these plates, which takes less than 60 seconds, the conversion is complete. Conversion of a Glock pistol will result in a rate of fire of approximately 1200 rounds per minute.

 

[jmorris]

With the proper SOT/FFL they are pretty easy to make and quite fun even for kids, if you also add a stock.

http://vid664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/7409/cwg18.mp4