AIM Surplus got hacked

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There is a program you can buy for $36 a year called publicdata.com and all you need is someones license plate number. Feed that into the data base and you get the owner of the cars DL#, DOB, Address, and issue date. So your information isn't nearly as secure as you think it is. No real reason to blame AIM. getting hacked is a common occurance these days.

And I have publicdata myself after my wife was involved in a wreck. Best 36 bucks I have ever spent.
 
I got it too. I can't believe they were storing those pictures on the front end--and unencrypted, when all they needed was the number after verifying. Probably unsalted guessable URLs.

Mike
 
A big part of it is that most credit card companies and banks have people and computers monitoring card usage patterns for anomalies and potential fraud. They're getting pretty good at it. There is nothing of the sort monitoring Drivers License # usage. It's also very easy to cancel a credit card and get a new number which puts an end to the use of that card. It's nigh unto impossible to change your DL # in most states.

Ok I understand that, but what can someone actually DO with a DL#.... That would actually matter. I mean we show our "ID" to total strangers all the time and as far I know it's never been a major issue.
 
Well, I know what I uploaded to AIM, and as an IL resident, it was my IL FOID card + drivers license. Pretty sure they also have a copy of my FFL, too.

The IL FOID card is more concerning than the Drivers License info.

That can be used on the IL State Police website in a number of nefarious ways, including firearm transfer authorizations, etc.

That gives bad guys a way to buy guns from private parties - they can tell the person the FOID number and expiration date off of any IL resident's card that was scooped, and the seller will get an approval number from the state police via the instant check web site.

"Oh the state police say you're an OK dude, so here you go. Have fun!"

Just saying, counterfeit FOIDs that pass the state police instant check at gun shows, private party sales, or even in brick & mortar stores, would be solid gold to gangbangers.

ETA: This is just part of the problem - the root problem is a state / society that puts so much faith and power in that permit. That "gun card" is an automatic trust. There's no two factor anything on it.
 
I wonder if IL Residents may need to file lost or stolen on FOID with the state police to invalidate their FOID cards?

(That'll also invalidate concealed carry licenses. And in my case, instructor status. Plus cost $150+ in replacement fees with the state.)

Damnit. Need to check with my lawyer tomorrow to find out if this would qualify as lost or stolen ID , per the legal language, and call the state police on Monday to see what they say.
 
Ok I understand that, but what can someone actually DO with a DL#.... That would actually matter. I mean we show our "ID" to total strangers all the time and as far I know it's never been a major issue.

I know in Virginia, the whole reason for having unique driver's license numbers was to remove the SSN from the license and make identity fraud one step more difficult. You can't really use it for making a fake because any entity that could verify a DL# as real these days would certainly have instant access to your photo in the database at the same time. And with the newer anti-counterfeiting measures the days of printing and laminating a fake like when I was in college are long gone. Your address and the knowledge that you own guns might be a risk, but the overwhelming odds are the hackers are overseas. Most all are.

My personal opinion... it's very likely whoever did this didn't actually know exactly what info they might get, and was hoping for name+SSNs and/or credit cards in anything they could crack. Name+SSN is actually much more valuable than a CC# number these days because fraudulent charges are frequently caught very, very quickly. My wife has her card account set to email her every time they are used and once canceled a stolen number within an hour of the charge.
 
I got the letter, too. AIM has been a great company and I'll still do business with them. This could have happened to anyone. They responded appropriately. Trent--I had not considered the FOID card number wrinkle--thanks for mentioning. I am not overly worried, I've had this sort of thing happen before minus the FOID info. Canceling FOID and CCW number in Illinois these days would be a nightmare requiring you to put on multiple sock puppet shows for low-level functionaries already ground down by the current political situation in the state. I'm holding off for now but please pass on any info you gleen---thanks! Mike B. (aka Neo-Luddite)
 
All of these online businesses are subject to hacking. I had my personal information compromised by Gun Broker. I had to cancel my CC and get a new one. I purchase my firearms locally now from brick and mortar stores. Just too risky putting your bank information on the internet.
 
GB was hacked? When? Brick and mortar stores are just as susceptible, if not more. Most cc theft/crime doesn't involve people doing online purchases. The times my various work and home cards got "hacked" were via computers running numbers until they get hits. Target, Home Depot and others had nothing to do with online transaction hacking.
 
Trent--I had not considered the FOID card number wrinkle--thanks for mentioning. I am not overly worried, I've had this sort of thing happen before minus the FOID info. Canceling FOID and CCW number in Illinois these days would be a nightmare requiring you to put on multiple sock puppet shows for low-level functionaries already ground down by the current political situation in the state. I'm holding off for now but please pass on any info you gleen---thanks! Mike B. (aka Neo-Luddite)

I'll call the state police on Monday, and get a verdict. Didn't have time today as I had to work two jobs, covering for another employee on vacation. :(

I don't *THINK* this will be enough to cause them to invalidate FOID's, but you never know. FOID #'s are freely tossed about between people on private sales all day long, as now required by state law, as well as shown to anyone who asks at gunshows (private citizen or dealer). The only difference here is "someone we don't know" has our FOID # and expiration dates.

Well, heck, there's plenty of people I've known for all of 5 minutes have seen my FOID# and expiration date.

Yes, that personally identifiable information IS used to create accounts on the IL website for concealed carry licensing, BUT the only address that is going to get sent to is what is on your FOID. So even though they'll know your height, weight, etc to set up a digital IL identification, I don't think there's any risk of fraudulent concealed carry licenses being issued since they only ship those to the actual address on the card, with no exceptions.

Plus, you'd need the SSN to do anything on the Illinois websites using digital ID's. The height / weight / etc on the license is only an additional factor used to authenticate you. To properly exploit those systems you'd need the Drivers license (and/or FOID), PLUS SSN, which wasn't released.

Anyway, I hope to heck this doesn't cause a wrinkle with FOID, because if it does it'll be pretty damn expensive for folks with FCCL. FOID replacement is pretty cheap, but FCCL replacement, no so much. That's damned expensive!

Without SSN, hopefully there's nothing that will come of this, for anyone.

However, if the bad guys have SSN from another source (different hack such as healthcare.gov, US department of labor hack, any number of thousands of other commercial hacks, etc), it could spell big trouble as they'd not only have your SSN but ALSO every other bit of information they'd need correlated together, to do serious damage with identity theft, fraudulent tax returns, etc, etc.

To a group (Russian Mafia, Nigerians, Brazilians, Chinese, etc) who have turned hacking for profits in to a national industry, those images scraped off of AIM could turn in to a very big payday.
 
I learned several years ago of their policy of copying your drivers license. I just don't buy certain items from them because of that. I refuse to allow anyone to make a copy of my license. It's a stupid policy that actually puts them at great risk as well as you.
You can buy guns, ammo, parts, booze and any number of things by simply showing it without copying. I can't see any benefit to AIM for doing this.
I would report my license as missing and get another one.
My wife and I request replacement credit cards about ever 2 years just in case old information gets out.
 
I'm trying to take advantage of one of their Memorial Day Email Specials and A the shopping cart the "Checkout" link is always failing with "connection was reset by server". Everything else about the site seems to be working.

Anyone successfully place an order recently?
 
Our bank account got hit today. Fraud detection kicked at the bank and shut down my personal bank account.

Not sure if it's related to AIM's breach or another website, although I thought it worthy of posting...

ETA: Turns out it wasn't related to AIM. I went back and checked my purchases w/ AIM and I'd used a different card than the bank debit card which was hit today.
 
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Here's the thing.
MAIL your information to the company, DO NOT send that sort of information online, PERIOD.
 
Here's the thing.
MAIL your information to the company, DO NOT send that sort of information online, PERIOD.

And they don't scan it into their system and keep it on file with all the rest when it gets there?
 
And they don't scan it into their system and keep it on file with all the rest when it gets there?
Most hacks go after the most vulnerable points like say, E-mail, just ask Clinton.
If security software is up to date, current and from a reliable respected company then hacking a mainframe is a lot harder.
 
Most hacks go after the most vulnerable points like say, E-mail, just ask Clinton.
If security software is up to date, current and from a reliable respected company then hacking a mainframe is a lot harder.

The AIM Surplus breach wasn't email. Info they have been storing for years was stolen. There is no reason to believe sending a physical copy of your license to them would be any different. Maybe they would have stored it physically, but I highly doubt it, almost surely it would be scanned in by them and saved with all of the rest, and stolen with all of the rest.
 
It may be coincidence but i picked up a good deal on S&B 45 from AIM on Friday. It did take forever to order but they shipped pronto. Out of the blue, i got slammed with a ton of Spam emails. It thought it was queer that it happened right after but then again it likely is just bad timing. The ammo arrived today and I'm certainly willing to buy from them again. I really don't remember if they have a photo id or just my c&r paper copy from years ago.
 
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