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Discussion in 'Handguns: Accessories, Holsters, and Optics' started by Phaedrus/69, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Phaedrus/69

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    I'm not sure when the ACRO will hit stores but after seeing a few videos I'm pretty stoked! It really looks like it might be a game changer. From the reps at Aimpoint there will be eleven or twelve mounting plates available to fit most if not all of the optics-ready handguns on the market. Anyone here planning on picking one up? Does anyone have a rough list of optics-ready handguns? Supposedly there's a new version of the HK VP9 that will have a cutout for an RMR...
     
  2. herrwalther

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    Probably the most aesthetically unpleasing Aimpoint they have made. They could have at least rounded some of the edges instead of making a straight up box. But a red dot for a handgun is no where near by want or need list.
     
  3. Phaedrus/69

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    Visually it's not attractive but that's a minor issue IMO so long as it's as reliable and effective as the other Aimpoints.
     
  4. 1KPerDay

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    The window appears to be smaller than others. Anyone have feedback on that yet? Everything I've seen from people I trust is positive so far. I'm interested to see whether sage dynamics can break one.
     
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    Have RMRs so I'm not going to change anything but competition is always good. Many of the other micro optics I would hesitate to mount on a duty gun.
     
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    It looks large and heavy for a pistol slide IMHO
     
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    Yeah, the blockiness tricks the eye. It's actually pretty light with a footprint comparable to the other RMR-type optics.
     
  9. zaitcev

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    I was very interested in ACRO P-1 because they promised a version of it with built-in rail attachment. I need one of those for co-witnessing on my SU-16. I'm using TRS-25 and it's just 1/16" too high off the rail, if that. So close. But when Aimpoint finally issued the P-1, it came with a universal bottom and a 22 mm adapter for pic rail. Foiled again!! Well, I understand their reasoning, but it was a big disappointment for me personally. I was ready to pay their price, too. The bottom of the sight looks tantalizingly similar to Picatinny rail interface, but perhaps it was too thick for a pistol sight.
     
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  10. zaitcev

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    Apropos that, I made a mistake to go with the RMR cut for a Glock slide. Result is, there is no way to mount anything else on there, and I'm stuck with RMR. There is a ton of adapters for Docter mount. So, if you have Docter cut, you can install anything... including RMR. I'm leaving aside manufacturer-specific cuts, such as MOS.
     
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  11. Coal Dragger

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    My Aimpoint ACRO P-1 shows up tomorrow according to the shipping update. Brownell’s had at least one in stock...

    Going on a VP9 long slide that will have to be milled.

    I’ll try to get photos and caliper measurements before I send the sight and slide out for milling.

    I have an older RMR RM 01 but wanted a sight that doesn’t require removal for a battery change. Plus the closed emitter looks interesting.
     
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    We got one for T&E at work, I put about 500 rounds through it in two days. I like it personally, but I don't see it as a huge improvement over the current crop of MRD's out there right now. It has some features that are nice, such as not needing to unmount the sight to change batteries, and the easy access external controls. The dot size is reasonable, still a bit small for my tastes (I'm a bigger dot is better guy for a carry gun) and the window size is fine. If you like the idea of fully enclosed, it certainly has that going for it.

    With everyone really doing work on new pistol optics (the new Trijicon SRO for example), I think we're going to see some radical advancements in the next year or two like we did with red dots when they finally went big army and mainstream.
     
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  13. Coal Dragger

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    I wonder if the next real advancement is going to be in pistols designed from the start with dot sights in mind. Think optic mounting areas that don’t reciprocate, making the sights easier to use.
     
  14. Coal Dragger

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    Got my ACRO P-1 a few days ago. Will post up photos with measurements later. Optically much better than my RMR though.

    Looking forward to getting it installed on my VP9.
     
  15. Coal Dragger

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    OK, got tied up at work the last few days and forgot I needed to update this thread.

    My HK VP9 long slide is out, along with the Aimpoint ACRO P-1, for the slide to be milled for mounting the ACRO P-1 to the VP9 slide. The work is being done by Primary Machine, with any luck I'll have it back in a month or two, my lead time will be longer since I selected a complete slide refinish in salt bath nitrocarburizing.

    I did take some photos of the ACRO P-1 and took measurements before sending it off along with a comparison of the optical quality in comparison to my Gen 1 RMR RM01.

    I posted this at m4carbine.net already so this is just a copy and paste:

    Since I have calipers I decided to take some measurements of the optic body. According to my calipers the length is 1.861", total width including mounting screw and battery cap is 1.170" although the width of the main body and mounting area is only 1.110", highest overall height is 1.184".



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    For comparison my Trijicon RMR RM01 is 1.782" in length, and 1.102" in width on the same calipers. So effectively the same foot print on the gun.
     
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  16. Coal Dragger

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    As posted on m4carbine.net by me already:

    The ACRO P-1 seems to be well made, and I do appreciate the ease with which the battery can be changed and the lenses cleaned. I will make a minor complaint that it looks like Aimpoint was very generous with the adhesive they use on their lenses and you can see some overrun on the protective window and front internal lens looking in from outside, but none of it obscures the sight picture. At least I know damn well that the lenses are very solidly cemented in place.

    Also compared the my old Trijicon RMR RM01 the Aimpoint ACRO P-1 is optically much better. Unlike the RMR the ACRO does not have any noticeable fisheye of the image at the edges of the field of view, this makes it easier for me to find the target when transitioning between targets. I very unscientifically duct taped both sights to the top of my VP9 slide and did some presentations and the optical superiority of the Aimpoint makes it easier for me to use near the edges of the window to get an acceptable sight picture. In other words for me more of the window is more easily useable for shooting, at least it appears that way. This Aimpoint would make a perfectly acceptable carbine optic given how nice the glass is, I can't say the same for any RMR I have ever looked through including the one I own.

    The dot in both is crisp for me and the difference in color is a non issue, the RMR is amber in color and the ACRO is red. If I had to give an edge to either in dot crispness the ACRO would get the nod but not by much. Both are totally fine.

    The adjustments on the ACRO as mentioned by Aaron Cowan in his initial review are not terribly well defined clicks, maybe Trijicon has stepped up their game since my RMR RM01 was made but the adjustments on it are also not well defined. Both of them are pretty much a bunch of mush with a barely discernible click if you go slow and take your time.

    I attempted to capture the image through both the RMR and the ACRO P-1 and as usual when trying to photograph optics the results were decidedly underwhelming. I will post them anyway.

    First the ACRO P-1, notice that even for the camera the picture quality through the sight is better:



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    I tried quite a few times to get a better photo through the RM01 but the damn lens on the sight defeated all efforts to render a decent photo:



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  17. Coal Dragger

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    Got an e-mail from Primary Machine today, my VP9 long slide and ACRO P-1 are done and will be shipped out in short order.

    I also agreed to let them use mine for a side project, that is now unveiled: an adapter plate for RMR cuts to mount an ACRO. The sights are scarce so I let them use mine for prototyping their plate. If you go to their site the photo of the plate and ACRO is my sight. LOL it’s a model, I should hire an agent.

    Looking forward to getting it all back.
     
  18. Coal Dragger

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    Brown truck dropped my slide and ACRO off today.

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    The ACRO's selling point over pretty much everything else out there is that it is a closed emitter and will not become clogged by mud, sand, rain, pollen, etc. If any of these materials do become attached to the optic they can be wiped off with a shirt sleeve, etc. This may or may not be the case with an open emitter like the RMR.

    With that said, everything is a trade-off to one degree or another. The sealed unit covers the area that otherwise houses the battery. Aimpoint moved the battery compartment to the left side to allow easy access but had to go with a small battery as a result. This small battery means less run time especially at the higher settings. Run time on full blast is about eight days. Of course the run time gets better when the brightness is turned down. Aimpoint says the battery should last six months to a year on some of the middle settings. If the middle settings are bright enough for your particular work area or shooting venue then you're all set. But if you live in sunny Southern Arizona or will be using the optic against something like a bright snowy background you will likely have to change batteries with regularity.

    Not that changing batteries is likely a big deal but I think people were expecting Aimpiont Comp M4 battery life out of this new little optic.
     
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    In playing with mine the top 2 brightness settings are almost unusable on a sunny day they’re so bright. Setting 7 and 6 seem to be the sweet spot.

    Fortunately changing batteries is easy, and requires nothing more than just putting a new one in. No need to remove the sight from the pistol, or re-zero.

    I plan to buy a bunch of batteries and just change them every 4-6 months.
     
  21. Coal Dragger

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    Managed to get out and put about 300 rounds through the VP9 long slide and ACRO P-1 this afternoon. Nice day, not too hot, but the wind was blowing like a bastard.... because it always is in South Dakota. Had my range outing ended early by a thunderstorm blowing my target stand over and soaking the cardboard backer so bad my spray glue wouldn't stick a target to it worth a hoot.

    Plus it was busy as hell so I didn't get to do everything I wanted to do, hard to get stuff done when you are constantly going range cease fire so everyone can service targets. Plus a lot of dudes just want to talk, and I'm not very interested in talking.

    Ammunition today was Magtech 115gr FMJ range fodder for initial zero and 7 yard line sight tracking drills, and a reload of mine using a 115gr Hornady HAP over 5.6gr Hodgdon CFE Pistol lit off with a CCI small pistol primer in mixed brass that I used for my informal accuracy testing and getting a reasonable 25 yard zero on the ACRO P-1.

    Step 1.) Check the zero on the Dawson Precision co-witness height sights that Primary Machine installed for me. I bought them from Primary Machine and they installed them for free as part of the work. They are mechanically centered on the slide and I made no effort to adjust them. Ammo for this was the Magtech range blaster trash ammo at 13 yards according to my range finder, just to get an idea, 10 rounds fired off hand standing not really trying just shooting as soon as the iron sights settled:

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    Step 2.) Turn the ACRO P-1 up so I can see the dot and check initial zero, Primary Machine appears to have slaved the dot to the irons here, same garbage blaster ammo all other areas on target shot with the dot making minor adjustments on each target. Same distance.

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    Step 3.) Switch targets to something more easy to see and push target out to 25 yards per the laser range finder. Change ammo to the 115gr Hornady load since that bullet has proven to be pretty accurate. I shot 20 rounds on this target standing off hand, pulled one low left that was totally my fault. Made a few sight adjustments on both windage and elevation. This load in this pistol has a lot of potential I think. On a B8 bull this would have been a 95-98/100 14X score or thereabouts...

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    Step 4.) Bring target in to 7 yards, hang up a B27 and run Bill Drills and failure to stop drills just to start training on tracking the dot and reacquiring the dot. No photo here, probably ran 150 rounds of this pew pew 7 yard Ricky Bobby stuff with blaster ammo. Went better than I expected, kind of a mind game learning to trust the dot as soon as you see it in the window. No need to center it up, just get the dot on the head box or 9 ring on in and give it the gas. Kind of freaky for a guy used to iron sights. I can see how building speed is going to be easy though. Probably the best Bill Drills I've ever shot. Not one single round outside the 9 ring on the B27 with most in the 10 ring. The tough part is presentation and finding the dot on press out to the target, it will force you to clean your sloppy technique up and make clean consistent presentations if you don't want to burn up tons of time fishing for the dot.

    Step 5.) Run a fresh target to 25 yards, and go back to my reload. Plus the range cleared out enough for me to grab a bench to sit on and rest the pistol on a bag for the last 10 shots. So 10 rounds standing off hand, and 10 rounds seated resting the pistol on a bag. Seriously the dot is like cheating at distance, with iron sights it's easy to have inconsistency in your point of reference as you focus on the front sight. For me this usually shows as vertical dispersion on the target or as the group favoring to the left or right, plus it is mentally exhausting. The dot solves a lot of this. I shot this in 5 round strings so forgive the individual little groups, I am sure I had natural point of aim shifts.

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    Over all I am very pleased with the long slide and the ACRO P-1. Makes me want to do some trigger work to the VP9 just to help me shoot closer to the potential of the pistol. Primary Machine did a great job, the install seems to be rock solid, and the machine work is very clean. I took the sight off to inspect the cut prior to reinstalling the sight at putting some thread locker on the screw, and not a tool mark to be found!

    The only thing I have elected to do is gently wet sand the bottom area of the slide that rides over rounds in the magazine and return it to a factory polish, as part of the refinish Primary Machine media blasted the slide prior to salt bath and this area got media blasted. Took all of 30 seconds when cleaning after the range session to return it to the factory polished finish so it doesn't abrade bullet jackets and cartridge casings.
     
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