Air marshals to patrol land, sea transport

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Act normal and don't sweat when using public transit.

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Teams of undercover air marshals and uniformed law enforcement officers will fan out to bus and train stations, ferries, and mass transit facilities across the country this week in a new test program to conduct surveillance and "counter potential criminal terrorist activity in all modes of transportation," according to internal federal documents.

According to internal Transportation Security Administration documents, the program calls for newly created "Visible Intermodal Protection and Response" teams -- called "viper" teams -- to take positions in public areas along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor and Los Angeles rail lines; ferries in Washington state; and mass transit systems in Atlanta, Philadelphia and Baltimore. Viper teams will patrol the Washington Metro system, as well.

A viper team will consist of two air marshals, one TSA bomb-sniffing-canine team, one or two transportation security inspectors, one local law enforcement officer, and one other TSA employee. Some members of the team will be obvious to the traveling public and wear jackets bearing the TSA name on the back. Others will be plainclothes air marshals scanning the crowds for suspicious individuals. It is unclear how many viper teams will be on patrol through the New Year's holiday, but air marshal officials confirm that they will be at seven locations across the country.

"TSA is going to extend its outreach into other modes of transportation," said David Adams, spokesman for the Federal Air Marshal Service. "We think this is a very good approach to test our tools and quickly deploy resources in the event of a situation or a threat. It shows we could be at any of these places."

Air marshals will remain on flights this holiday season, while at several airports -- including Dulles International -- TSA is training dozens of screeners in behavior recognition techniques to identify suspicious passengers. Such training had, for the most part, been limited to air marshals. In addition, travelers will be able to take some sharp items previously prohibited, such as small scissors and tools, in carry-on luggage.

TSA officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the agency is expanding training for a limited group of screeners at other airports in preparation for the holiday travel season. Those airports serve Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas-Fort Worth, Cincinnati, New York, Houston, Detroit and Chicago. TSA spokeswoman Yolanda Clark said the techniques include taking notice of high levels of stress, anxiety or deception. "This is a part of a larger effort to add more complex layers of security that cannot be manipulated by those seeking to do us harm," Clark said.

Looking for unusual behavior
Federal officials said there is no new intelligence indicating that terrorists are interested in targeting transportation modes. Rather, the Transportation Security Administration is trying to expand the role of air marshals, who have been eager to conduct surveillance activities beyond the aircraft, and provide a beefed-up law enforcement presence at bus, train and public transit stations over the busy holiday period.

Air marshals "are trained to covertly detect potential criminal terrorist pre-attack surveillance and other suspicious activity," states a TSA memo written by Patrick F. Sullivan, deputy assistant director of TSA's Federal Air Marshal Service flight operations office. Air marshals "assigned to support the VIPR team will also be looking for individuals attempting to avoid or depart areas upon visual observation of the VIPR teams."

The concept of employing more surveillance techniques to identify unusual behavior -- typically, signs of nervousness, such as sweating and avoiding eye contact -- has been around for some time. In London, police used the tactic after the terrorist bombings on the Underground to track and then shoot a young man wearing a backpack who was running from police. The man was later determined to be unconnected to the suspected bombers.

Some security officials question whether air marshals should be conducting surveillance or any operations outside of an aircraft cabin. The marshals spend hours training in such tactics as shooting a gun in the close confines of an aircraft cabin. Officials say that marshals have been trained to notice and report suspicious activity and that they do so regularly, even though it has not resulted in netting a suspected terrorist. Air marshal training was called into question last week, after two marshals shot and killed an American Airlines passenger in Miami who allegedly claimed to have a bomb in his backpack.

‘This is absurd’
"In one word, this is absurd," to put air marshals in bus and train stations, said Doug Laird, a security consultant and former head of security for Northwest Airlines. "This is clearly a responsibility of the local jurisdictions. They don't have enough air marshals to carry out the mission they are supposed to do. To spread them even thinner dilutes the reason they are there in the first place."

Adams, of the air marshals service, however, said marshals are the law enforcement arm of the TSA, which is charged with overseeing all modes of transportation -- not just aviation. "This is part of our responsibility to assist in the non-aviation domain," he said. "The whole purpose is that people will not know when we're going to be there or if we are going to be there. It's a preventative approach."
 
<David Allan Coe Mode>

I told Big Brother they had a pretty good song with Airlines, infringing on my Freedoms, and such...still they had not written the perfect "State" song. Nothing about trains, buses, boats, given kids busted ear drums from not being able to get sinus meds and feeling momma up at the Western Union buying money orders...

Big Brother wrote another verse, seems this is getting more Tyranny-like, and more "State Perfect".


</off>

Didn't ask to be "protected" and damn sure don't feel a bit more safe. Now, let "We The People" carry anytime, anywhere, on any conveyance...and the next time someone with a boxcutter gets in the mood for some attention - oh they will get their Rodeo all right.

arrrgghhh...

Steve
 
I for one salute such dedicated and loyal members, how can one feel anything but pride in such glorious acheivements. Terrroists everywhere will now tremble, knowing that we have National Anti Zealot Informers everywhere seeking them out.

Seek well, good agents, seek well.
 
God forbid if we let armed citizens get involved with protecting themselves, others and property....that...that would be liberty.

When is the common man and woman ever going to be taken seriously in this country?? When are they going to be included "in the loop" for national security? (and no not just given a stupid rainbow warning colorbook)

Are People in Govt uniforms the only way that is available to protect our land "the right way" ??

Pretty sure the minutemen project worked. Worked in April of 1775 too.

this country:rolleyes: :fire:

wake up GOP wake up
 
The concept of employing more surveillance techniques to identify unusual behavior -- typically, signs of nervousness, such as sweating and avoiding eye contact -- has been around for some time. In London, police used the tactic after the terrorist bombings on the Underground to track and then shoot a young man wearing a backpack who was running from police. The man was later determined to be unconnected to the suspected bombers.

Oh Goodie, I will now be avoiding all modes of public transit.

4 Years and they have not actually caught one terrorist, not one, but they shot the wrong guy dead a couple of times.

Very confidence inspiring.
 
And even to this day they lie about it, since we now know he never ran from the police, he never ran at all. He walked, got on a train, and police ran to catch up, tackled him, and executed him.

And it's coming to a transit system near you!


By the way, who here is stupid, raise your hand. Anyone? Ok, how about this; Who here believes they will leave it at public transit where they search? Anyone? Oh sorry, you're stupid, tough break. Once they have 'secured' all forms of public transit, charters included, then they will make a grandiose announcement that they have credible intelligence that Terrorists are carpooling. Guess what? You need random roadblocks, and it's not hard to do. Just elaborate on the DUI checkpoints that already exist and people are familiar with. And if it's not legal, check the REAL ID act, where the Sec. of H.S. has the same powers Hitler did, absolute, and can easily set up illegal search-and-seizure points.



Maybe the anti's were right, and blood actually will run in the streets due to CCW. CCW gets on bus, sees 'undercover' officer disguised as a lowlife. Undercover suspects CCW holder has a gun. As usual the officer doesn't consider it could be legal. Undercover moves aggressively towards CCW, CCW sees an armed low-life pull a gun and move towards him, CCW tries to unholster his weapon. Undercover fires 15 times, killing the CCW holder and also hitting 7 passengers, the bus driver, and himself somehow. Newsreports broadcast that an undercover transport marshall was in a gunfight with a man who has been confirmed to be carrying a weapon (which police triumphantly display), and that 9 people have been shot. When details emerge it is not broadcast, and only people on THR actually learn or care what happened.

The end.
 
Master Blaster said:
...they have not actually caught one terrorist, not one...

Since 09/11/01 we killed a bunch though! And prevented further terrorism domestically...
 
Yup, those suburban water taxis are the central locus of crime in the United States today.
 
The concept of employing more surveillance techniques to identify unusual behavior -- typically, signs of nervousness, such as sweating and avoiding eye contact -- has been around for some time. In London, police used the tactic after the terrorist bombings on the Underground to track and then shoot a young man wearing a backpack who was running from police. The man was later determined to be unconnected to the suspected bombers.
:uhoh:

At least now I am no longer paranoid ;)
 
I think we just figured out who is going to be manning the "checkpoints" and asking us for our "papers".

Oh and make sure that you support all of these "real ID" measures to combat illegal aliens, otherwise they wont have any papers to ask for.
 
The Washington State Dept. of Transportation, which operates the Washington State Ferries, said, "Thanks, but no thanks" to DHS on this one. Even the WA State Patrol (which provides security for the ferries) and the US Coast Guard said, "We've got ferry security covered." Of course, WADOT did, somewhere in the statement, note that one of the reasons it refused the air marshal offer was because ultimately, it would cost the ferry system more money and require it to provide more personnel and overtime ...
 
This concerns me. FAMs are trained to control an environment (airplane cabins) where they know in advance exactly who in the environment is legally armed. That certainly would not be the case on buses, ferries, etc... Will the next step be for TSA to demand that law-abiding citizens disarm before using those modes of transportation?

I'm glad that the Washington State Ferry system has told TSA to take a hike. I hope others will as well.
 
Well, as long as they have TSA jackets on, we know who to watch for suspicious behavior.
 
TSA is training dozens of screeners in behavior recognition techniques to identify suspicious passengers. Such training had, for the most part, been limited to air marshals.

This one is just scary to me. I don't know about the airport near you, but most of the screeners at my local airport don't look much like psychological profilers to me--they look like they barely know what they're supposed to be doing, and care even less. I mean, these are the people who're missing guns on x-rays of carry-on luggage! Does anybody really think that they can tell the difference between someone who's nervous because they're going to blow something up and someone who's nervous because the idea of flying is utterly terrifying? Give me a break.
 
Unisaw said:
Will the next step be for TSA to demand that law-abiding citizens disarm before using those modes of transportation?
I'm sure they're working on it. "Officer safety," don'cha know?

Note to self: Tune up second vehicle, it's gonna be seeing more use.
 
TSA is training dozens of screeners in behavior recognition techniques to identify suspicious passengers
I'm sure I, and most THR members, would meet the definition of suspicious - eyes up, head on a swivel, observing everything going on around us in some level of "condition yellow". Sheepdogs are suspicious.
 
Heres a thought. Lets stop treating law abiding citizens like criminals, and inact a modern version of an old english law, All men between usch and such an age must have two hours a week of long bow practice. Lets change that to two hours a week of handgun practice, let every law abiding citizen carry a handgun how they like, and let them protect themselves from there.

But oh god forbid the serfs have weapons ammo and the ability to take care of themselves and protect themselves from criminals themselves when the goverment wont.
 
sm said:
<David Allan Coe Mode>

I told Big Brother they had a pretty good song with Airlines, infringing on my Freedoms, and such...still they had not written the perfect "State" song. Nothing about trains, buses, boats, given kids busted ear drums from not being able to get sinus meds and feeling momma up at the Western Union buying money orders...

Big Brother wrote another verse, seems this is getting more Tyranny-like, and more "State Perfect".


</off>

Didn't ask to be "protected" and damn sure don't feel a bit more safe. Now, let "We The People" carry anytime, anywhere, on any conveyance...and the next time someone with a boxcutter gets in the mood for some attention - oh they will get their Rodeo all right.

arrrgghhh...

Steve

The scariest part is that while you CAN legally CCW on a public bus if you have a license for your state, the possiblity just went up a whole lot that if someone catches a glimpse of your safely holstered weapon's edge or something in your belt when moving around, YOU could be labeled a TERRORIST...and shot by one of these TSA people.
 
xd9fan said:
God forbid if we let armed citizens get involved with protecting themselves, others and property....that...that would be liberty.

Well, now if someone pulls a knife on a bus, and you pull your concealed firearm to tell them to drop it, the hidden bus marshal on board will shoot YOU.

Don't you feel secure?
 
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