Airline refuses to transport trap shooter's gun

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Airline refuses to transport trap shooter's gun

By Craig Smith
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, March 22, 2004

James Mautino concedes that the idea of carrying a shotgun onto an airplane might sound a little crazy in the midst of a war on terrorism.
But that's how trap shooters get from tournament to tournament. And it's allowed by many air carriers serving the United States and some foreign countries.

Mautino, of North Huntingdon Township, planned to compete in a national trap shooting contest last week at the largest gun club in Odessa, Fla. He didn't expect any problem, because he'd flown with his $12,000 Perazzi combo shotgun to the Sunshine State two weeks before.

Mautino had planned to drive to Florida, but Old Man Winter reared his ugly head and the 61-year-old didn't like the idea of getting stranded in the snow. So he found an ad for Pittsburgh's newest discount airline and shelled out $232 for a round-trip ticket to Tampa.

"It was a last-minute deal, the answer to a problem," he said.

Mautino got up at 4 a.m. Tuesday, drove to Pittsburgh International Airport and made his way to the check-in counter at USA 3000 Airlines. "I told them who I was and that I had to check a firearm," he said.

He was told that the airline doesn't carry firearms.

"I said, 'Whoa, we've got a problem,'" Mautino said.

USA 3000 Airlines, owned and operated by Apple Vacations, will not transport shotguns or ammunition. The policy is not widely broadcast, but it is stated on the company's Web site.

The airline, based in Newtown Square, Delaware County, decided not to carry firearms as it focused on its primary business of transporting leisure travelers to sunny destinations, Spokesman Trevor Sadler said. The company, started more than two years ago with two planes, now has a fleet of 10.

"We made a conscious decision to not do that at this time," Sadler said, adding that the policy is under review. He couldn't say if or when it might change.

Eventually, a customer service representative at the company's headquarters promised Mautino a refund.

"I can't even imagine this policy for an airline that's trying to build something in Pennsylvania -- the sportsman state of the nation," he said.

The Amateur Trap shooting Association, or ATA, says Pennsylvania leads all other states when it comes to trap shooting. Some 7 million targets are shot in the Keystone State each year.

And the number of gun enthusiasts in Pennsylvania is growing. More than 100,000 are expected to attend the National Rifle Association's annual convention in Pittsburgh next month.

Mautino could have switched to another airline but the fare would have been nearly $1,200, he said, because he didn't book his flight in advance.

Other airlines do allow travelers to check sporting firearms. Gun owners who fly Continental Airlines, for instance, can check as "one" piece of baggage a rifle case with as many as two rifles, with or without scopes; 11 pounds of ammunition; and a shooting mat, noise suppressors and small weapon tools.

Midwest Airlines does not require any additional requirements beyond the federal government's guidelines for checking firearms, which include a signed declaration that the firearm in unloaded and stored in a hard-sided container.

"Here I sit; the competition is going on," Mautino said, adding that successful trap shooters can win $4,000 to $5,000 per event. As he spoke, the Perazzi sat, disassembled, in its hard-sided case nearby.

Officials at the ATA, based in Vandalia, Ohio, said they have not heard any complaints about USA 3000 Airlines and know of no other airline that bans firearms altogether.

A National Rifle Association spokesman said USA 3000's policy was brought to the NRA's attention by one other gun owner who was affected by it.

"Our position is, basically, as a private company they have the right to throw away business," said John Frazer, a federal lobbyist who follows the issue of gun transportation for the NRA.

The government revised the gun transport policy after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but there was little impact on sporting weapons, he said.

Mautino came to trap shooting after stints in the movie and carmaking businesses. He worked at MGM in Culver City, Calif., from 1961 to 1970 as an optical technician doing special effects. He returned to Pennsylvania and worked for Volkswagen at its former plant near New Stanton.

He then launched Tri-State Trap & Skeet Co. in North Huntingdon, one of the largest trap shooting stores in the state, and ran it for 25 years before retiring.

"It's been a great life. I love it," Mautino said.

Trap shooting requires a high degree of precision, he explained. The $1,100 triggers on his guns are not "pulled." Instead, they are set before shooting and "let go."

"Letting go uses three muscles as opposed to 67," he said.

Because of stories like Mautino's, competitive trap shooter George Bush III, of Derry Township, stays away from discount airlines, said his mother, Cindy Bush. He hasn't had any problems transporting his gun on full-fare airlines, she said.

George Bush, 18, is attending Lindenwood University in Missouri on a shooting scholarship and flies to competitions throughout the United States from there. In one month's time, he's been to Louisiana, Texas, Florida and back to Texas.

"We know guys who have been stranded at airports," Cindy Bush said.

Craig Smith can be reached at [email protected] or (724) 850-1217.
 
Lets see, he has this:
$12,000 Perazzi combo shotgun

and this

The $1,100 triggers on his guns

and this

one of the largest trap shooting stores in the state,

And stood to win this

$4,000 to $5,000 per event

But, wouldnt pay more than this
$232 for a round-trip ticket to Tampa
at the the last minute.

And this
nearly $1,200
was way too much to pay.

I realize that it sucks that the airline wouldnt let him take his shotty with him. But, if you are flying a noname discount airline and planning to take a weapon with you i think making a PHONE CALL in advance would be prudent.
 
I agree, I'd always call first and get their policy, but apparently that airline is highly unusual in this regard.

I suppose they think his competition O/U is going to take over the plane from the luggage bay. :scrutiny:
 
c_yeager:

Great post and good points but if you spend enough time around dedicated trapshooters it doesn't come as a surprise. A more penny-wise pound foolish group is harder to find. ;)

Paul
 
Trapshooters will drop a couple $K on a new barrel,more $K on a Sietz, Alfermann,Ljutic or K gun without batting an eye. They then fill the air with lamentation if shot goes up $.50 a bag.
 
This is absolutely classic. The guy spent a bunch of money on a Perazzi, and is now getting ripped here. If the same thing had happened with some guy and an 870 TB, that's when I think the lamentations would fill the air.

Answer this question for me. If it's not OK for someone with a K-gun to put down someone shooting an 870, why is it OK the other way around? Neither way seems like the high road.

The fact of the matter is that he probably should have called. IMO, all of the $$$ references in the article are irrelevent, aside from making it abundantly clear that the guy is highly unlikely to be a terrorist threat.

Let's not pile on someone for looking for the most affordable airfare, just because of the kind of gun he shoots. I've participated in many sports which require travel to events. Sometime the prize money can be quite a lot... but you have to beat nearly everyone to get ANY of it. Even if you are pretty wealthy, spending $1200 (plus hotel, plus entry fees, plus meals, etc...) for a shot to win $4000-$5000 IS too much.
 
TrapperReady:

It probably wasn't fair to criticize him for investing five figures in his shooting equipment and then complaining about the unanticipated problems with his flight.

So if this story doesn't reinforce the miserly image of some trap shooters, it might confirm their well known capacity to whine. ;)

If I'd planned to go on the trip, booked the time off work, rented a hotel and made all the other arrangements I would have paid the extra amount for the flight. I wouldn't have been happy about it but I would have gone to the shoot anyway.

Actually, I'm not critical of the man for not phoning the airline. I can't think of another carrier who has a similar restriction on carrying firearms in the cargo hold. I have never checked with an airline before flying whether they have a firearms policy.

Paul
 
What's this about triggers that you let go rather than pull?

Doesn't that take quite a bit of the skill out of the action? Pretty soon, will trapshooters just aim in the general direction of the trap and let the motion-detecting radar take over?
 
Guyon - That's not really the deal. Trapshooters (often when in their mid-40's for some reason), are prone to developing a flinch. For some, it may be quite noticible. For others, it may just be a minor thing that shows up a couple times per 100 targets. In either case, it's a bear to try to work through... and some people can never quite shake it.

For some, the answer is a release trigger. You pull the trigger prior to calling for the bird, and then let go to fire. Personally, this gives me a major case of the hebee-gebees. For certain disciplines, some will even use a trigger that fires the first barrel on the pull and the second barrel on the release.

It's really no different than a rifle shooter using a set trigger, or a pistol shooter using a race gun. It's a hardware solution to an essentially software problem. Frankly, if I ever get to the point when I start thinking I need a release trigger, I think that's going to be the time I start focusing on my highpower shooting.
 
I'm not objecting to it as a tool for letting guys continue to enjoy the sport. I'm just wondering if "release triggers" compete in the same heats as regular triggers. As the guy himself points out, its 3 muscles versus 67 muscles. Doesn't seem quite fair.

Same kind of argument about Casey Martin applies. I don't have a problem with the guy using a cart to continue to enjoy golf. But I don't think he should be competing with the world's best when they have to walk the course.

This same kind of argument wouldn't fly at the Olympics. I doubt the Germans would enter a fellow in a wheelchair and proclaim, "Oh this guy's crippled, so to level the playing field, we decided to attach a rocket to his ass."

See what I mean?
 
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