U.S. Says Stun Guns Viable for Airline Security

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Another one in the name of 'safety'. Did anyone else see that footage of the bull getting Tasered and jumping right back up? Thanks, but I'd take my chances with a cane or a baseball bat.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36048-2003Jun9.html


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U.S. Says Stun Guns Viable for Airline Security



Reuters
Monday, June 9, 2003; 5:50 PM



By John Crawley

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration has concluded that stun guns, which inflict a disabling electric shock, can be used for security by crew members on commercial planes, a homeland security official said on Monday.

After months of weighing the safety and effectiveness of the guns, the Transportation Security Administration said in a report to Congress that they were an acceptable non-lethal option to deal with hijackers.

Details of the report are classified but a spokesman for the TSA, Robert Johnson, provided an overview of its findings.

"We think they are viable but only viable if done right," he said.

Johnson stressed the agency, which already permits commercial pilots to carry firearms after completing a federal training course, had not yet approved any carriers to arm their crews with stun guns.

Two airlines, United Airlines and regional carrier Mesa Air Group, have sought government permission to do so and Johnson said their applications were being reviewed.

"We're going to be picky about how they are deployed and how people have access to them are trained," Johnson said. "We have to make certain that we do this right."

The administration has taken a number of steps to enhance airline security since the 2001 hijack attacks on New York and Washington, blamed on al Qaeda, which killed about 3,000 people.

AIRLINES WILL TRAIN

Unlike the firearms program for pilots coordinated by the government, stun gun training would be the responsibility of the airlines once security authorities sign off on individual plans.

Johnson said it was possible that pilots could have both firearms and stun guns as part of the layered security strategy brought in by the government since the attacks.

A United spokesman said the company would continue to work with the security agency on its application. The No. 2 carrier has trained its pilots to use stun guns made by Taser International of Scottsdale, Arizona.

Johnson said the report analyzed the Taser technology but did not endorse any brand.

Pilots have long favored lethal force over stun guns to counter any threat during flight. Some are skeptical that stun guns are practical or effective in the cramped confines of most flight decks even though they are used widely in law enforcement.

"Stun guns could have a place in the security package. We're not opposed to them but we still think that providing pilots with firearms is far and away the best method to defend the cockpit," said John Mazor, a spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association.

Capt. Stephen Luckey, chairman of the ALPA security committee, said stun guns could be an effective tool for flight attendants, off-duty pilots or other airline personnel riding in the passenger cabin to quell a serious disturbance before it could escalate.

Dawn Deeks, a spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants, said more options for cabin crews were needed urgently.

"To put defensive capabilities all in the cockpit and not train the crew in the cabin to protect their lives and the lives of the passengers in the event of an attack is unthinkable," Deeks said.


© 2003 Reuters
 
:confused: :rolleyes: Forwhy do we keep having this conversation? :rolleyes: :confused:

Stunguns are WORTHLESS! Particularly against a determined fanatic within the closed environment of an airplane.

NOTE: I am NOT talking about TASERS here. Tasers are a whole 'nuther kettle of fish. This may be what the article actually means, but it lacks specifics, so I'm going to yell about it.

The reason I KNOW they're worthless, from TFL.

The HighRider conversation where we covered this. Again.

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Re-statement #1: I DO NOT mean Tasers here.

Re-statment #2: Yes, you can call me an idiot. :eek: :cool: ;)
 
As I see it, stunguns are pretty useless, considering how close one must get to use it, and there is a lot of variability on how effective they are, depending on where you stick it. Tasers are only good for one shot, so what if you miss or there is more than one assailant? Dumb.

Gimme a real gun anyday/everyday.
 
A great PR ploy, sold to an ignorant public from an entity that would prefer to reserve the right to use lethal force for itself only.
 
I don't know why people are worried about air crews carrying guns. Perhaps they are afraid that they might miss their assailant and accidently hit a passenger. Well, think of it this way: Would you rather have a plane filled with 5 dead terrorists and 2 wounded civilians or would you rather have everyone on the plane dead and countless people on the ground dead? Or, the terrorists could assume control of the plane, and everyone gets a sidewinder missle from an Air Force interceptor. What scenario would you rather have?
 
Let 'em have whatever they ask for, so long as the have the guns too.
 
Don't get me wrong, I believe pilots should have firearms.

But Tasers might be a good option, IF the pilots and crew also have ASP expandable batons as backup.

I'd feel fairly confident with a taser and an ASP baton as long as I had some training.

Tag 'em with the taser, and if that doesn't work, break their zygomatic arch in three places with your ASP.

Then go tell your boss that a Sig P228 would have saved you a lot of trouble.;)
 
In all fairness, I'd much rather see a .45 penetrate a bulkhead by accident than 50kV of static electricity hit the console of an Airbus.

Airbus320 will know what I'm talking about.

If it's a plane I'm on, I'd rather see the plane protected by a baseball bat in a determined defender, if not a trained repeller with a handgun than a spark plug in a can. That's the intention of bringing this to the forum. I'm only pointing out the folly of those who would 'make the masses safer' by their own agenda.

There's no way I'd take a Stinger down the pitot tube without a fight of some sort.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
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