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AK-47 Ergonomics Question

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by cbrgator, Sep 14, 2012.

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  1. jon_in_wv

    jon_in_wv Member

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    Yeah heavy recoil isn't a complaint you hear often about the ak.

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  2. mortablunt

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    Careful, I sense this turning into an VS thread in the near future.
     
  3. cbrgator

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    He wasn't complaining about recoil in the traditional sense (i.e. that his shoulder hurts). His complaint is that the stock bangs into his cheek/upper jaw, and after 100+ rounds, became painful.
     
  4. SSN Vet

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    I'm 6' and feel that a NATO length stock is necessary for the AK
     
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    I wanted to raise the comb of this stock to make using the scope a little easier.
    Wroked pretty good for me. Covered with leather it raises the stock comb two inches and is very comfortable to shoot. Two pillars underneath it allow me to pull it to use the irons.
    Takes a couple hours to make.
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  7. mortablunt

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    I'm a little late, but I don't feel that adding a NATO stock to a Kalash is necessary. What one does is holds the gun with their arms tucked in and down, and brace with the shoulder rather than the cheek.

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  8. Hizzie

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    So what route did you end up going?
     
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    Yeah, but will they make a reliable one?

    I had the same issue today with my ak. The butt of the stock is just to small.
     
  10. cbrgator

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    I presented my dad with the options of the cheek pad and using the adapter to allow the AK to utilize an AR stock.

    He decided (mostly due to cost) to start with trying the cheek pad. It's on its way from MidwayUSA. Hope it works out for him. Thanks to all those who offered advice.
     
  11. Jcastellan

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    Not sure if this is related to the same issue your Pops is having, but I recently purchased a Zastava PAP AK (M70), and am having the same complaint. Put 200 rounds through it the other day and when I was done it felt like I got punched in a little spot of my right cheek. Unfortunately I can't upload a photo, but I've heard that a Zastava M76 stock is a more comfotable stock for those who have the same complaint. The PAP is a beautiful solid weapon, but damn it takes a toll on your face. The attached photo is my PAP stock, along with a blue tab indicating where the discomfort point is. The red line is my impression of where the M76 stock would run. All I can think of is that because of the slope of the M70 stock, it forces upwards into your cheekbone causing discomfort....... Any update on you're end?
     

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  12. leadcounsel

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    I like the thumbhole stocks with the raised check weld.

    You can also get a Dragunov style stock with a raised checkweld, one that rotates up an down. It's excellent.
     
  13. DPris

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    I've worked with two Yugo M70-based AKs in the past two months.
    The two models in question were from Century, and were PAP versions set up for optic mounts.

    Now, this is a Yugo-specific issue, so it needs to be approached from that literal angle & with some specific Yugo analysis without making general AK statements or recommendations to switch to an AR.

    On both, the US-made WOOD stocks are angled higher to provide a higher cheekweld WITH optics mounted.
    What that does is force the cheek down lower onto the stock when using iron sights. I ran into the same exact problem, it forced me to rest my cheekbone ridge directly against wood on that stock, and even with the low recoil of the 7.62x39 round each shot was painful. Had a visible bruise the next day after shooting the first one, shot the second one with an optic mounted & had no problem.

    Since I've never tried a non-optic Yugo AK version, I don't know if all of the Zastava-made M70 derivatives use that higher-angled comb, or if it's just those built for optics.

    Does your Dad's gun have either a rail on top of the cover or a side-mount rail on the left side of the receiver?
    If so, that's your problem right there.

    If not, I'd say it indicates all or most of the Yugos do have the higher stock angle, and if that's the case, that still remains the problem.

    Stock changes may or may not help.
    Selling the Yugo & buying a standard AK with a standard stock drop would solve the problem.
    I can sympathize with your Dad, I flat would not shoot one of these high-stock guns using only the iron sights.

    How long has he had the gun & did it come from Century?

    Denis
     
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  14. danweasel

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    I had the exact same issue.

    I put on a slip on butt pad, This one:

    http://centerfiresystems.com/padaka02.aspx

    It makes the stock about an inch longer, twice as wide and at least an inch longer from top to bottom. Such a huge improvement for $10. The pad fits snug and is in no danger of coming off. Plus it has little knobs on the butt that really stick it to your shoulder.

    I don't really know why it worked but it did.
     
  15. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    I put 2,000 rounds though my Tantal before finally getting a buttpad listed above. It does make it more comfortable but I could live with the short wire buttstock. Squaring up your stance is needed for the short stocks or you may find your nose on the dustcover.
     
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