AK-47 scope mount

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which is a better scope mount for a wasr-10, the side mounted attachment, or the replacement dust cover with the rail on top? the side mount just looks so bulky, but I imagine it's the better choice for accuracy. I don't know which to get. thoughts?
 
The side mounts are better IMO. I understand the dust cover ones do not hold zero well, or at all, because they are not really fixed.
 
If you have the rail, the side mounts are the way to go. If not the top cover mounts will still likely let you shoot better groups with an optic than you can with the irons -- its an AK not a tack driver, claims of better than 4 moa I'll believe when I see.

I prefer solutions that still allow use of the irons as a back up given the abuse an AK can take and still be expected to function.

--wally.
 
I have not read or seen anything negative about the gas tube optic rails from UltiMAK.

Two machined barrel bands secure the tube on the barrel - it is rock solid and it can be
easily tightened if it ever works loose. It also sits your red dot optic as low as possible.

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The EOTech works, but it will be replaced with a lighter Micro T-1 soon.

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The Krebs dust cover rail is advertised as holding zero, etc. However, it is not cheap (> $200), and not currently in stock on their website, if I'm not mistaken.

The side mount is an easier/cheaper solution, but may turn your cheek weld into a chin weld, depending on your optic.

Both of them will make your life that much more complicated if you ever have to clear a major malfunction from an AK. (And they do happen with AKs, internet rumors aside.)
 
So many choices!

The Ultimak design looks really sleek. But I wonder whether the optic sights will withstand the sort of heat that could come off that tube. A couple of mags in a hurry would get that EOTECH scorching hot. I have some concerns about that. Will an EOTECH really withstand that kind of heat? I sure would hate to ruin one to find out the hard way. I'm sure a cheaper device would be ruined in short order on that rail-tube.

The ScoutScope unit compromises the ability to switch back to iron sights without quite a bit of fine-motor-skill work. It looks like it could get really hot too, although not as fast as the Ultimak rail-tube. And then there is the head-position issue with the sight up that high.

The side rail has its own issues as far as stability, and repeatability, but at least it won't incinerate your optic.
 
HorseSoldier said:
The Krebs dust cover rail is advertised as holding zero, etc.
That's because it has nothing to do with the dust cover at all.

It's a length of machined steel that attaches to the rear sight block at the front and screws to the stock tang at the rear.

A very nice copy of the Polish Beryl rail.
 
That's because it has nothing to do with the dust cover at all.

It's a length of machined steel that attaches to the rear sight block at the front and screws to the stock tang at the rear.

A very nice copy of the Polish Beryl rail.

From their pictures, it attaches to a mounting block on the tang, not directly screwed onto the tang.

If it screwed onto the tang directly (as some other similar products out there do) it would not be at all suitable for use on any kind of weapon that was intended for anything besides modest range use, since clearing most major stoppages from an AK requires pulling the dust cover.
 
The Ultimak design looks really sleek. But I wonder whether the optic sights will withstand the sort of heat that could come off that tube.

Wonder no more (gotta defend my honor here). In long-term testing, starting circa 1999, we put over 7,000 rounds through the same AK, with the same Aimpoint CompML (the earlier version, 'cause it was the current version back then. They've since come out with the ML2 and then the ML3 and 4) cleaning only the bore and bolt (at no point was any part of the gas system cleaned).

We wanted to get a "worst case scenario" so we loaded up a 75 round drum, emptied it rapid fire, then followed that by two 30 round mags. (Keep in mind that the whole purpose of putting that optic on your AK is to solve your problem before you've expended more ammunition than you can carry)

We did this time and time again on many range sessions over several years. Did the sight get hot? Yup. Was it a problem? Nope. My son is still using that old Aimpoint. Is getting the lowest possible sight axis on your AK, giving you a good cheekweld, with a mount that adds less than an ounce to the rifle (in some cases it reduces the total rifle weight) and that you never need to remove, worthwhile? That's for the user to decide.

And FWIW; EOTech distributes the UltiMAK mount as their solution to AK mounting (EOTech part number 9-UM-M2B).

Will you ruin your barrel before you ruin the optic with heat? Haven't tried it. Not sure what it would prove if I did. That's just not the point (doctrine, people) though I have personally fired 1,000 rounds in one day (7.62 x 39) with the above described AK. Ever done that? Don't know why you would, though I hear some of the more intense combat courses get close. Can you carry 1,000 rounds along with your other gear? Maybe if you're Jesssie Ventura, who is depicted in the movie Predator as carrying a minigun and who knows how many rounds of 7.62 NATO through the jungle mountains of South America. But in reality, no.
 
WHATchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

In my experience, most issues with an AK can be resolved by working the charging handle and/or dropping the mag.

The only show-stopper failures I've ever seen have been cases where fired brass or a live round somehow get off the bolt face and fall back into the receiver. (These are more common I think with AK-74s and 5.56mm AKs than with the 7.62x39.) In any case, this will (from personal experience) turn the weapon into an expensive paperweight until you can get the top cover off and fish the offending round out.
 
Mac90 side scope rail

I just purchased a side scope rail and side scope mount with intentions to attach it to my rifle, the rail didn't come with any rivets. I was wondering if anyone new where to get the right rivets. Also if anyone new where to find instructions to get the position to mount it. I work in maintenance and was a weapons tech in the army, so I believe I could do the job. I just can't find anyone who says which rivets are the correct ones, and anyone who tells exactly how to mount it without messing it up....any help
 
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