AK help please!

[JustinJ]

If you don't care about installing a muzzle device or traditional AK looks then i'd probably just go with the Saiga as it will certainly be the highest quality. If i was limited to those four though i'd probably go with the Romanian but the muzzle device option is something i would want. So long as it's not built by Century it should be a good gun.

 

[Moose458]

First off Classic arms is selling the same Yugo m70 as Aims for $50 more, so scratch them. Second, a wrap of para cord on the underfolder stock makes them check friendly and the M70 I have is one of my favorite AKs. That being said, If it were me, I'd get the converted Saiga. However, you will not be disappointed with the Yugo, if you go that route. The underfolder is not uncomfortable to shoot with the para cord, nor is the stock wobblely. At least mine isn't.

 

[gatorjames85]

the muzzle device option is something i would want.

I don't know how mechanically inclined the OP is, but it shouldn't be too hard to thread the muzzle later if he wanted to add a muzzle device.

 

[bigdipper]

i did it!! just ordered the saiga now the waiting is all thats left. thanks for all your help every one i only hope the rifle is as awsome as you all say wish me luck!

 

[Deus Machina]

Threading the muzzle is easy, if you're comfortable working a die.
I had a thread guide and die, cost me $60 or so, took me half an hour of my usual careful and slow pace.
Offered to loan them to a member here, and the post office managed to tear the package open and dump them out.

 

[meanmrmustard]

i did it!! just ordered the saiga now the waiting is all thats left. thanks for all your help every one i only hope the rifle is as awsome as you all say wish me luck!

Yay for you bro! I'm happy for you, good choice.

 

[JustinJ]

If there is no possible intent to ever mount a sound suppressor at home threading is sufficient. I prefer to keep the option open though on as many of my guns as possible. Unfortunately finding someone to make concentric threads on a barreled AK is very hard to do but i've heard of some out there who will.

 

[meanmrmustard]

If there is no possible intent to ever mount a sound suppressor at home threading is sufficient. I prefer to keep the option open though on as many of my guns as possible. Unfortunately finding someone to make concentric threads on a barreled AK is very hard to do but i've heard of some out there who will.

Have any friends that work in a machine shop? Free labor!

Methinks if you could get a hold of an external tap and a lathe...

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Not without modification, unless it has already been done.

All magazines fit Saigas but they won't feed correctly. A feed ramp has to be installed for function..

They're both reliable but the Saiga's are a more modern design as far as the internal stuff goes.

How are the designs different internally?

 

[meanmrmustard]

All magazines fit Saigas but they won't feed correctly. A feed ramp has to be installed for function..





How are the designs different internally?

Splitting hairs. They won't function reliably without the mod. You know what is meant.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

You said the Saiga is more modern inside, what do you mean by that?

 

[Rob G]

You said the Saiga is more modern inside, what do you mean by that?

Over the years the Russians changed and refined their designs a little bit. Saigas are actually based on the current production AK 100 series rifles as opposed to the AKM series that WASRs are based on. Hence the internals are more modern by virtue of being based on a more recent redesign of the basic AK parts. Most of the changes are really subtle and I couldn't even tell you what they all are. I do know though that not all the parts are interchangeable between the two because of the design revisions made between the AKM and AK 100 series rifles.

 

[Deus Machina]

FWIW, I think the bolts and carriers might not be interchangeable between WASR's and Saiga's (original AKM vs. 74-esque adjustment), and the gas piston is a different length (Tapco pistons come with a spacer anyway).

Nothing that will make a difference to the end user, really.

 

[bigdipper]

so since it has been converted i will be able to put standard mags in it and they will feed correct? Also to the muzzle device question i dont know if i will ever want on but if u do i know someone who owns a machine shop and one that works in one specilizing in casts and dies so i think ill be just fine

 

[Rob G]

so since it has been converted i will be able to put standard mags in it and they will feed correct?

Correct.

 

[Okiegunner]

Well guys I have made my decision. And really it has taken a lot of soul searching and cognitive process from me.

Some of you who own multiple AK type platforms will probably chuckle. For myself however, this is a big decision.

I have decided to purchase the Waffen Werks AK 74 from Atlantic. According to "Blaine" from Atlantic, they just recieved a new shipment late Friday afternoon. It is a little over my budget (Please no one tell my wife!!!)

I am going to purchase the "Waffen Werks" AK 74 variant, with the slide fire stock.

Question??? Is there made an extended capacity mag and or drum for the 74?

If so, are they any good? The reason I ask this is...with the slide fire , I will quickly burn thru ammo.

If there is a quality drum made; then I would buy it.

Thanks much for your help,

Gunner

 

[Rob G]

Some of you who own multiple AK type platforms will probably chuckle. For myself however, this is a big decision.

The first one is always hard. Once you know the platform better it becomes an easier decision. I think you've made an excellent choice. Waffen Werks makes great AKs.

Question??? Is there made an extended capacity mag and or drum for the 74?

There are 45 round magazines available for the '74 but that's about as big as it gets. Midway USA has some for NIB for about $54 each although you might find some used on gunbroker or the EE on ak47.net. Any that you buy should work just fine.

Over the years there have been a handful of attempts to make drums for the '74 none of which went in to production. There are also a couple, and I literally mean a couple, 60 round quad stack mags that were produced in Russia and made it in to this country. If you can find one it's likely to cost as much as the rifle and work half as reliably.

 

[meanmrmustard]

There are 45 round magazines available for the '74 but that's about as big as it gets. Midway USA has some for NIB for about $54 each although you might find some used on gunbroker or the EE on ak47.net.

Over the years there have been a handful of attempts to make drums for the '74 none of which went in to production. There are also a couple, and I literally mean a couple, 60 round quad stack mags that were produced in Russia and made it in to this country. If you can find one it's likely to cost as much as the rifle and work half as reliably.

Krebs makes a drum that, from what I can tell, run reliably.

 

[Rob G]

Krebs makes a drum that, from what I can tell, run reliably.

Like most things that Krebs makes they probably are quality. Unfortunately they're also a $325 made to order custom part so nobody I've ever talked to has ever seen or owned one.

 

[Atlantic Firearms]

Okie did you send that email over to us yet ?

 

[Adam123]

I would buy this and never look back:

http://www.hendersondefense.com/sto...ed-AK47-w-bayonet-and-two-magazines-50p10.htm

... that is if you are dead-set on one of those four options and you can not personally inspect your rifle in person before you purchase it. Approach CAI builds with caution.

 

[Kymasabe]

Inter-Ordnance

I'm going to throw my two cents worth in here. I've had plenty of Saiga's that I've converted to a standard AK format. Is easy to do, only take a couple of hours with basic hand tools. There are plenty of places for parts, specifically Dinzags site for parts and tutorials.

That being said, I've sold all my AK's and kept only one, my Inter-Ordnance, has a US made receiver and barrel. Good build quality and every bit as accurate as the Saiga's. You should look into one.

 

[minutemen1776]

Though I know the OP has already decided, I'll add this for other readers:

Don't be so quick to dismiss the AK underfolders. I would not call them "useless" as others here have done. The feel is certainly different from fixed-stock rifles, but a good example is neither wobbly nor particularly uncomfortable. The cheek weld is not as good as with a fixed stock, but it is not nonexistent, and you get used to the difference quite fast. Personally, I love the compactness of the underfolder, which is an attribute I cannot get from my AR15s or other rifles. In my experience, too, the accuracy of an underfolder is not hindered at all by the different stock type. All that said, try one before you decide, and don't be dismissive of the underfolders just because they feel a little different.

 

[gatorjames85]

I've only heard good things about Waffen Werk's AK-74 builds. I think that is a great entry to the platform.

 

[Okiegunner]

Atlantic,

Yes I did. Sent it right after we got off the phone, yesterday.