AK pics -- before and after rebuild.

[Ian Sean]

Wow! Marshall Arms knows thier stuff, great looking welds and blending in, REAL craftmanship going on there.

The wood looks really nice....down right purty

I also had no idea the underfolders for FA AK's were more common or undesirable, thanks for the info...either way that is now a nice rifle!

 

[rsilvers]

There has to be at least hundreds of AKs that are transferable full auto, if not thousands.

 

[DMK]

I don't know. There's just something wrong with that. AK's are supposed to be beaters.

But, since that AK is worth thousands (which is really ironic when you think about it), I suppose it's OK.

It does look really nice. I'll bet it shoots a lot nicer now too.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Now all you need to do is gold plate one of your other ones BTW rsilvers, I'm with you in terms of AK set-up. I think the wood is what makes the rifle beautiful. The folders I think, "cheapen" the AK (even though they're usually more expensive).

 

[DMK]

folders I think, "cheapen" the AK (even though they're usually more expensive).

Folders aren't really better or worse. They are a compromise. You give up comfort (and a classic look) for compactness (and a more evil look perhaps, although I don't see how you can make an AK not look evil). Certainly a lot of thought and manufacturing expense went into some folder designs.

They are more expensive in semi-autos purely because of demand and because for the 10 dark years between 1994 and 2004, they were much less common. It's interesting how in NFA AKs, the situation is reversed and fixed stock AKs are more desirable. I guess it proves we always seem to want and are willing to pay more for what is harder to aquire.

 

[rsilvers]

I am only saying underfolders suck. I no way am I saying 'folders' suck. Sidefolding AKs are wonderful.

 

[kirkcdl]

I prefer wood stocks also,except when they look like this:http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=24064&d=1114610822

 

[DMK]

I am only saying underfolders suck. I no way am I saying 'folders' suck. Sidefolding AKs are wonderful.

I definately prefer the sidefolder to the underfolder. I love the Romanian folder on my SAR1. It's very compact folded and nice and solid when extended. But when you are shouldering the weapon and trying to hit something, you do wish you had the solid wood stock.

The best compromise is that solid hinged stock. (but to me, this would only look right on a '74 or '105)

 

[Gewehr98]

One man's opinion. Worth how much?

I am only saying underfolders suck. I no way am I saying 'folders' suck. Sidefolding AKs are wonderful.

Somebody tell me this NFA Krinkov (very similar to my own) isn't wonderful:

 

[Prince Yamato]

Aww crap, well, you got me on the Krinkov. In terms of function, a fixed stock on one would be kind of defeatist. I just meant that on a traditional AK, I preferred the wood stock. I think the wood stock gives the rifle connection to WW2 and pre-WW2 rifles. It's the "bridge-to-the-past" if you will. Though I suppose you could argue for a side-folder skeletonized stock on a krinkov. None of this is to say that I wouldn't ever purchase an underfolder. I just prefer the fixed stock. I like hardwood ok? Now everyone quit buggin' the Prince

 

[rsilvers]

The AKS-74U (what some people call a 'Krinkov') is not an underfolder. The Russians had no such configuration. Also they are 5.45mm.

Here is what they are supposed to look like:

 

[Gewehr98]

So, Mr. AK expert...

Here is what they are supposed to look like:

Says you. Nobody else in the former Warsaw Pact besides Russia can build a proper shorty Kalashnikov variant with underfolder and 7.62x39 vs. the hard-to-get 5.45x39? Or is your NFA tax stamp money somehow worth more than mine? Sounds pretty damned elitist to me, "That isn't a real Krinkov, neener, neener, neener." BATF told me it was when I did my SBR Yugo M92 Krinkov paperwork.

 

[rsilvers]

Says me and General Kalashnakov. I know his thoughts on the matter. Here is me having breakfast shots with him after crashing at his house follwing a hard night of partying.

It is a Russian weapon design. That would be like saying a Canadian Diemaco variation of the M16 would be the goal of a collection rather than a Colt M16 or M4. Both work fine as rifles of course.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Krinkovs...so beautiful... so beyond...my...financial means...trying hard not to cry.

Edit: Just curious rsilvers, since you are a Kalashnikov expert, what is the origin of the Krinkov name? I've always wondered.

 

[Kahramon]

I heard Krinkov was the last name of an alleged Soviet Army soldier from Afghanistan war whose weapon was captured - AKS-74U and since then on the West they call this wonderful technical device in this way.
But in reality I have never met anyone with such last name (I live in post-Soviet country).

 

[DMK]

what is the origin of the Krinkov name? I've always wondered.

According to wikipedia (and I rememeber reading this somewhere else), it was a derogatory name assigned to it. The Russians never called it a Kirinkov and apparently never had any official name for it, just a designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krinkov

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as03-e.htm

 

[rsilvers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKS-74U

 

[Gonefission]

Says you. Nobody else in the former Warsaw Pact besides Russia can build a proper shorty Kalashnikov variant with underfolder and 7.62x39 vs. the hard-to-get 5.45x39? Or is your NFA tax stamp money somehow worth more than mine? Sounds pretty damned elitist to me, "That isn't a real Krinkov, neener, neener, neener." BATF told me it was when I did my SBR Yugo M92 Krinkov paperwork.

Ditto


rsilvers, Just because you got to drink with Mr K doesn't mean your $h1t doesn't stink. Should we gather all the underfolding AKS-74U's of the world and burn them becuase it's not what you deem to appropriate. You should make another film about gun snob training.

 

[rsilvers]

It just was evidence that I knew his thoughts on the matter, and that it was not just my sole opinion. I personally choose not to disregard the designer's feelings in judging my selection of AK designs.

If they are underfolding, they are not AKS-74Us.

Not that mine is either as it is just a copy I had made, though my goal was to make it be as authentic as possible to the Russian design.

I would not burn them. You can convert them with Bulgarian kits or leave them as-is if you prefer a non-Russian AK configuration.

 

[kirkcdl]

High Road,huh??

 

[Gonefission]

Not that mine is either as it is just a copy I had made, though my goal was to make it be as authentic as possible to the Russian design.

It will never be a Russian rifle no matter how many smiths you send it to. Why didn't you just get a Russian rifle instead of "transforming" a chinese UF?


IMO All AK's have their place in the world.

 

[rsilvers]

There are no transferable AKS-74Us in the US. Imported machineguns were cut off in 1968, and the Russians did not design it until 1974. So the best one can do is make as close a copy as possible.

 

[richardschennberg]

1. There are a lot of countries that allow full-auto. Many countries require a permit, and in some of those a gun permit is good for any gun, including full-auto.
2. There are some places where the government bans guns, but the CIA factbook and many other sources suggest that you should always have a gun with you! I guess it would be a judgement call if the police or the criminals are a greater threat.