AK47 inherently inaccurate... here's a reason why [VIDEO]

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Check out the slow motion footage of the BARREL WHIP, receiver flex, cleaning rod slap, and all sorts of other contortions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

It's definitely not a precision rifle, and it was never intended as such. As we all know, reliability and manufacturing cost is unsurpassed. For "social issues", I wouldn't feel ill-equipped with one.

A few years ago, I couldn't convince myself to hold onto rifles that were only suited for "social issues". I do slightly regret getting rid of my Egyptian MAADI. Especially since the change in public policy here in CA.:banghead: Just the ability to own a weapon designed for "social issues" would be a good reason to have kept it.:banghead:
 
Hey, its Dr Atwater, current holder of my dream job. (military historian at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the big bald guy in a suit)

And they bring out the old "auto is the first position on the selector" BS again. As a side note, on the original AR10, a vertical selector was safe, pointing forward was semiauto and pointing reward was auto. I wonder how they'd analyze that one. :rolleyes:

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Comparing a stamped receivered rifle to a machined billet receivered rifle isn't exactly fair. The final points about penetration and whether or not the respective rifles intended design is defined by how the selector works is a suspect extrapolation. One could also say that it's easier to shove the AK selector switch from safe to semi because the semi setting in a "hard stop" instead of a detent betwixt them. Personally I found the 200yd accuracy test to be seriously suspect given that I've shot AK's at that distance with little trouble hitting a man sized target.
 
Personally I found the 200yd accuracy test to be seriously suspect
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Also, each rifle was fired by a different shooter.

I think the piece was more of a compare and contrast, rather than a which one is best.

I just thought the slow motion footage was very interesting. There IS noticeable barrel whip with the pencil-barreled M16, but it's just not as pronounced as the AK.

Here's another Discovery piece declaring the AK47 as the best...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE
 
The AK's always seem to get a bad rap for accuracy. Personally, I dont think its the gun thats the problem. If you can shoot, the AK wont let you down.

As for barrel whip, as long as it whips the same each time, whats the problem?
 
Note the "trigger jerk" on the AK shooter when he shoots through the blocks of wood. No wonder he couldn't hit paper at 200 yards.
 
"Also, each rifle was fired by a different shooter"

and if the guy firing the ak jerked the trigger the way he does on the closeup during the penatration test i'm not supprised he can't hit anything beyond 28 yards!:banghead:
 
Interesting video. Still though, if someone was shooting at me from 200 yards away with an AK47, I would still keep my head down.
 
I would too. :)


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SAR1, iron sights, Wolf 154 grain SP's. Small group from a rest to confirm zero, large group from cross legged sitting at a steady cadence.
 
My wife's WASR10 is very bad at 100 yards, but she'll never fire past 15 yards, anyway. My SKS is more accurate than the her AK at 100 yards, with 6 inch groups.
I'd still rather have an AK than an M16.:rolleyes:
 
(...) I consider myself an average shooter and I can hit a torso sized target at +200 yards with my Maadi, iron sights, wth relative ease. The notion that the AK, "can't hit the side of a barn" is more cold-war myth than anything else.
 
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I thought that video was stupid the first time I saw it. The tester they had was absolutely pathetic, and since he's pathetic, (and its on TV, so it must be real) then we know that AKs are that innaccurate. What a crock.

I've shot five inch groups at 200 yards with a 7.62x39 Vepr. It is a heavy barrel, and probably doesn't rattle around that much, but I have not problem dinging 200 yards steel with any AK that isn't a total piece of garbage.
 
My SLR-95 and VEPR K in 7.62x39 are as accurate as any good battlerifle that I've ever shot. 4 MOA works fine for me. I would not say that is inaccurate.

I've owned a lot of battlerifles (DSA SA-58 FAL, Cetme, M1 Garand) and the experiences with them and AKs has taught me that I will always keep a good AK variant on-hand. The AK is the best un-scoped, all-around rifle to me, hands down.
 
And they bring out the old "auto is the first position on the selector" BS again.
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That again?

I just liken it to an automatic transmission. The first position out of Park is Reverse, so obviously the car was intended to be driven in reverse. :neener:
 
Maybe they could not find an AK test who did not mash the trigger?:D

Holy cow! I just watched it again. Not only is numbnuts mashing but he's slapping the AK's trigger. He's taking a running start at the slap too. Did you see his trigger finger come forward and then slap the trigger as he mashed? Hello, trigger reset anyone???

Wow, they really need to hire some people who know firearms out there!!!
 
I hate to say it but the AKM-47/74are superior to the M16A1, and even the A2 and A4s. They are much more realiable, though not unstopable. Granted it is not as accurate as a M16 but accurate enough that a well trained solider can kill out to 400yrds. The reason the Aks get a bad rap is all we see are video clips of poorly trained fighters who can't shoot straight using them. I would take a AKM over any M16 variant any day of the week. The newer AKM 100-101s are vaslty superior to the original Aks
 
The video is very interesting, but not just in the ways intended.

1) neither rifle was demonstrated to be sighted in. The AR was closer to center of target, but for 200 yds that was a huge group. nothing I would br bragging about. The AK could have been way out off aim and could have grouped within 3 inches for all we know. I would like to see them adjust the sigths to get it on target then see the group size. Anyone that shoots knows group size is more indicative of weapon/shooter accuracy than whether it hits the target when you pick it up.

2) Totally surprised by the difference in terminal effectiveness! I like my Aks even more now. If someone has taken the trouble to sight in their AK, then I would definitely not want to be hiding behind cinder blocks or 8" of wood down range from them.

Overall I would draw negative conclusion about the M16 and be impressed by the AK. Sights I can fix; terminal ballistics can be improved a bit, but I doubt to make up the difference in the two cartridges.
 
I may be wrong but the AK in the video appears to have a milled reciever
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It does in fact have a milled receiver.

Funny how people get all flustered about the AK or AR. These are just rifles, not your wife. Sheesh.:rolleyes:
 
These are just rifles, not your wife. Sheesh.
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Don't be talking mess about my SLR-95. It's been with me longer than my first wife. :p :p :neener:


Guys, if you get one of the better, well-made AKs, it just cannot be beat as an all-around rifle. It isn't the best at any one thing (except reliability) but it is very good at everything.
 
As a question that interests me:

How do the AK 103 (7.62x39) and the AK 101 (5.45x39) compare in terms of accuracy to the AK47?

Not a big fan of the video either.
 
the biggest thing the AK has going against it is cost, Here a totally reliable battle rifle that any government can produce for $150 ea now ya got the M16 which is famouse for a lack of reliability and cost our government $1200 ea.....

gee better make sure folks don't believe that $150 battle rifle can do exactly the same job as our $1200 rifle the tax payers will have a fit!!


I've got several AKMs that will consitantly shoot 2" groups and 3 VZ58s (built on OOW reciever kits) that will do even better
 
I have a 14" AK103K and it shoots like this at 100 yards...

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