AK47 inherently inaccurate... here's a reason why [VIDEO]
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Interesting video from a technical perspective. I especially appreciated seeing the barrel flex. I'd sure like to have seen the accuracy comparison made by people who can shoot, though. That was pretty pitiful. I have no trouble making a nice group on a combat target at 200 yards and my AKs are not particularly accurate models.
SoCalShooter
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I have seen AK's more accurate than that, the AK is best when used within 300 metres. However for competition shooting I will take a match AR over an AK any day, if I had to choose in combat, I would probably choose the ak.
Mauserguy
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8200RPM, I too had a Maadi that I got rid of due to the California law. I have so regretted it over the years that when I recently had the opportunity to purchase a Cali-legal AK, I did so. I got a WASR-10 without a pistol grip. You can have a grip, you just can't attach it.
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possum
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my mak -90 has no issue firing and scoring good hits on a shilouete at 200yds. prone unsuported, sitting etc.
Double Naught Spy
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Paraphrased from the video in describing the M16...
but you can plainly see two shots aren't that near the heart, one being in the neck/lower head.
Yep, between the descriptions and shooter capabilities, the video does appear biased against the AK.
but you can plainly see two shots aren't that near the heart, one being in the neck/lower head.
Yep, between the descriptions and shooter capabilities, the video does appear biased against the AK.
chris in va
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Wow, you guys have better eyes than me. I can barely see something at 200 yards, much less hit it with old iron sights.
SoCalShooter
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Practice practice practice, as long as you can make out the black on the target just put the front sight on it, and use a spotting scope to see if you hit the paper.
GigaBuist
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I'd give the Discovery Channel and gang about as much credit as your average gun shop commando.
Just today I saw a show (Weaponology) state that the pinnacle of the modern day sniper rifle is the Barrett AS-50. I had to rewind it to make sure I heard that one right.
Oh, and a big reason we went to 5.56 in the M16 was because the previous battle and cartridge didn't perform well in Korea against heavy coats in the winter. They were referring to the M1 Garand and the poor penetration of the 30-06.
Heck, somebody on here had an animated GIF of the fellow from Future Weapons (ex SEAL Sniper or some such) firing the M4 without a decent shoulder weld. Smacked himself in the face when with the silly thing.
I really can't sit through more than 8-10 minutes of their firearms shows without seeing something incorrect it seems. It's entertaining, but frustrating.
Just today I saw a show (Weaponology) state that the pinnacle of the modern day sniper rifle is the Barrett AS-50. I had to rewind it to make sure I heard that one right.
Oh, and a big reason we went to 5.56 in the M16 was because the previous battle and cartridge didn't perform well in Korea against heavy coats in the winter. They were referring to the M1 Garand and the poor penetration of the 30-06.
Heck, somebody on here had an animated GIF of the fellow from Future Weapons (ex SEAL Sniper or some such) firing the M4 without a decent shoulder weld. Smacked himself in the face when with the silly thing.
I really can't sit through more than 8-10 minutes of their firearms shows without seeing something incorrect it seems. It's entertaining, but frustrating.
The_Shootist
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I bought my WASR10 after Katrina figuring if I had to use in SD role, it wouldn't be at 200-300 yd ranges (hell, I have trouble SEEING anybody ay that range). Rather it would be in an urban combat - streetfight situation, shooting from behind cars, around corners, down a hallway etc. I'd be surprised if ranges exceed 25-50 yds, so whats all the fuss and discussion about long range accuracy.
In that type of a situation, I'm more interested in a rifle that goes BANG! and cycles everytime with good punch rather than some academic MOA standard.
I bought my WASR10 after Katrina figuring if I had to use in SD role, it wouldn't be at 200-300 yd ranges (hell, I have trouble SEEING anybody ay that range). Rather it would be in an urban combat - streetfight situation, shooting from behind cars, around corners, down a hallway etc. I'd be surprised if ranges exceed 25-50 yds, so whats all the fuss and discussion about long range accuracy.
In that type of a situation, I'm more interested in a rifle that goes BANG! and cycles everytime with good punch rather than some academic MOA standard.
Limeyfellow
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They were referring to the penetration power of M1 carbine fmj rounds, not the 30-06. Of course alot of people believe that has more to do with missed shots and whining or the Chinese and Koreans on drugs able to help shrug off the effects since the carbine round is relatively short distanced.
Lucky
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Hey guys when you're using the open sight, it's supposed to get blurry right? So the right thing to do is a)see target, b)line up front and rear sights, c) focus on front sight, d)fire ? If the rear sight goes blurry do you put the front in the middle of the blur, or at the top or bottom?
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I think we can all agree that the narration could have been better, but the video was interesting.
I have heard that dragunovs are inaccurate for the same reason. Is this true?
Also, it looks like a lot of the wobble in the AK is the barrel moving in relation to the handhold up front; i.e. the grip is somewhat loose. Does the barrel really flex that much with respect to the reciever?
I have heard that dragunovs are inaccurate for the same reason. Is this true?
Also, it looks like a lot of the wobble in the AK is the barrel moving in relation to the handhold up front; i.e. the grip is somewhat loose. Does the barrel really flex that much with respect to the reciever?
Double Naught Spy
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I went back and rewatched. I don't know if it really flexes that much in relation to the receiver or not, or if the handguard is somehow loose or whatever. However, what I did notice in the discussion of barrel whip was that they failed to show the end of the AR15 barrel. The M16 is probably going to have a flash hider on it which will change how the barrel performs versus the AK that had nothing. I would be more impressed if they compared barrels with comparable accessories or both without.
It is really a pretty biased presentation.
It is really a pretty biased presentation.
Thin Black Line
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Receiver flex?
Watch the video and put your thumb over the wobbly mag, the wobbly gas
piston, the wobbly dust cover, etc.....nothing wrong at all with the receiver
itself.
Those of us who own Arsenals, Veprs, etc know the potential of the AK when
it's done right. Let's take the average $800 AK and compare it to the average
$800 AR?
In any case, how do I take the AK shooting guy's job since I could use the
same worn rifle and hit the target better?
Watch the video and put your thumb over the wobbly mag, the wobbly gas
piston, the wobbly dust cover, etc.....nothing wrong at all with the receiver
itself.
Those of us who own Arsenals, Veprs, etc know the potential of the AK when
it's done right. Let's take the average $800 AK and compare it to the average
$800 AR?
In any case, how do I take the AK shooting guy's job since I could use the
same worn rifle and hit the target better?
AK103K
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Actually, I think their basic comparison is proper, two "real" rifles, (not clones) made by the actual factories that make them for the military, compared side by side.
It would be nice if they had the rifles zeroed, and shooters who were familiar with them shooting them for the test. An NCO from each countries military, who actually used one for a living, would be a good start.
As for the cost of the clones in respect to their accuracy, from what I've seen, there really isnt a whole lot of difference in the way they shoot. I think the ones that were made up here, tend to be less accurate than those whose receivers were barreled by the country of origin. Kit guns are another issue all together.
It would be nice if they had the rifles zeroed, and shooters who were familiar with them shooting them for the test. An NCO from each countries military, who actually used one for a living, would be a good start.
As for the cost of the clones in respect to their accuracy, from what I've seen, there really isnt a whole lot of difference in the way they shoot. I think the ones that were made up here, tend to be less accurate than those whose receivers were barreled by the country of origin. Kit guns are another issue all together.
Zak Smith
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This last weekend I witnessed a US Army SGT hit an approx 12" plate at 350 yards on the first round, from a Bulgarian AK shooting Wolf ammunition, from the sitting position. The rifle was stock. That is certainly sufficient to meet any standard of practical marksmanship.
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benEzra
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Even shooting Wolf, my SAR-1 will keep every round in the black on a B-21 target at 200 yards, easily, and that's a low end AK lookalike. Probably would at 300, also. It'd probably stay on a pie plate at 200, but I haven't tried yet.
Where do you find heavy barreled AKs?Thin Black Line
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Hooah.
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