AK47 or VZ 58 charging handle/safety on wrong side, sight radius too short?

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I for one like my charging hadle right where it is (on the right) My right hand is my dominant and its what I feel more comfortable using to rack an action.

Try racking the action on a Fal with your off hand with a new stiff spring set. It is quite unpleasant to say the least.
 
Secondly The charging handle should not be on the left side. Most shooters are right handed. This means a left handed CH would be flying at their face all the time and if they gripped the rifle badly, could damage the support hand.
Unless you are say FN, and have figured out that the charging handle need not reciprocate with the bolt in say the late 1950's. The ergonomics and control locations on the FN FAL are perhaps the best of any battle or combat rifle ever. Big statement I know. But having had to clear numerous jams, my fault, and mags it is simple to do with the left hand while the right hand easily controls the rifle.
 
I for one like my charging hadle right where it is (on the right) My right hand is my dominant and its what I feel more comfortable using to rack an action.
I feel the same way. I generally "sling-up" which effectively ties up my left arm/hand, making my right the primary hand for controls. If not slinging up, I can just reach over (this is aided by the tilted handle on the VZ.58). Works for me.

OTOH, I like the FAL, and can operate it pretty well too...IMO it just comes down to training.

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Neat rifles. I have no issue with the Kalashnikov, but then I think everyone who has used a weapon in a deep doo doo situation and comes out the other side thinks highly of it. The short sight radius is not an issue. I mean really. If I can reliably hit a bleach bottle at distances greater than 400 meters with a Kalashnikov from unslung kneeling position, how much more accurate do you need? That's a headshot fer kripes sake!

Ah well. To each his own.
 
The Polish decided to add a thumb safety to try to make the AK more user friendly.

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Wish we got kits in the U.S.
 
I know there are aftermarket products out there, but these design "flaws" (if you will) seem like glaring errors on an otherwise great platform.


Your stated flaws are reasons why I think the XCR is a great platform that is underrated. It brings together all the great aspects of a FAL, AK, and AR.

Problem solved.

Also, if you look for videos of specialized AK training and practice, the AK flaws really aren't that bad. Very different and unneeded with newer rifles though.
 
Dumptruck said:
The Polish decided to add a thumb safety to try to make the AK more user friendly.
Actually, that's not a safety.

The safety on the Polish Tantal and Beryl is in the usual position (where Mr. Kalashnikov put it). What you are referring to is the fire selector lever, which allows the shooter to choose between single shot, 3 round burst and full auto.


AFAIK, only the Israelis have installed a right side thumb safety to their Kalashnikov derivative.
 
Why is everybody saying that the AK has a short sight radius? It's exactly the same as on an AR-15.
 
Another aspect of right side charging handles completely missed in this discussion is that they are much more easily manipulated and opened when standing in ranks for inspection. The Old School Army had much more drill and ceremony in the daily schedule, open ranks inspection was frequent, and with weapons inspection, much more easily done with a right side charging handle.

From side lock muzzle loader, to bolt action, to gas action, multiple generations of soldiers were taught and passed down the rituals of Inspection Arms, and considered it to be important that the weapon conform to easy manipulation. Tactical requirements in the field have always been slow to adopt and hard to document and justify.

What is now appreciated is that a left hand charging receiver can be cycled by the off hand while the weapon is held up and aimed. Much of the reason is that it's not an 11 pound .30 caliber - try holding any 50's battle rifle by the right hand and shoulder only. It's not really feasible - but with the light assault rifle pattern with pistol grip, much more so. A rapid bolt cycle is not only possible with the sights on target, present tactics use it more often because the soldier is upright and moving over ground wearing armor, not prone, covered, and protected enough to take the time.

What you are seeing is 1930's battle tactics vs. 2010. Look at the modern carbines introduced for sale, adopted for use, and track the overwhelming trend for a left hand charger upper. With some design elegance, they even swap sides and allow lefties the same ability, trigger hand on the grip and off hand cycling the bolt.

Why even bother? Because more shooters DON'T use the handle as a forward assist. The reaction response to a jam is jack that round out and even replace the magazine. You can do that faster, and the likelihood of returning to 100% effectiveness is much higher. Figure out what's wrong with it later, there are shooters aiming at you. Pushing a bolt forward on a reluctant round is much more likely to make things worse than better.

Modern designs have off side charging handles and controls that help the shooter stay in the fight, shooting, with frequent mag changes and a lot of rounds going out. Tactics have changed, weapons are changing with them.
 
The sight radius on an AK is 3 inches shorter than an M4. It's 7 inches shorter than an AR-15/M-16. I think the primary complain is that it doesn't have the peep sight under the shooter's eye, which is not a failing in a 'superior SMG' but does not lend itself to precision shooting. Of course this type of sight was also used on the Mauser 98, SMLE MkIII and M1903 and 1903A1 rifles, so go figure.
 
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I find the Yugo mags have the same advantages and dis-advantages as the M1 carbine 30 shot mags.

On the Yugo mags at matches, last shot hold-open alerts me to end-of-string and allows me to insert a yellow CMP flag without fighting the bolt handle.

While I anticipate no combat, the bolt locked open would be a better alert to empty mag than a *click* for those in combat.
 
I find the Yugo mags have the same advantages and dis-advantages as the M1 carbine 30 shot mags.
Agreed. While I like the BHO feature on the M1Carbine magazines for range use, I find they are of little utility for serious use. OTOH they do have a different feel due to the the shorter recoil as the bolt hangs up. I am sure the Yugo mags are the same.

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Some observations on the strengths/weaknesses of the AK:

1) The sights -- I disagree with everyone who argues that accuracy wasn't a consideration, or it was meant as a bullet hose, etc. As briansmithwins already noted, the sights are the same pattern that was used on the Mosin-Nagant rifle and, if I'm not mistaken, every other service rifle/musket ever fielded by the Russian military. There's no acceptance of degraded or less capable iron sights on the AK, the Russians just used what had been working for them for decades.

2) The ergonomics on the rifle have nothing to do with ease of manufacture. They may have a lot to do with ease of training or, more specifically, insuring that troops with limited firearms training have to remove their finger from the trigger when doing any other control manipulations.

You rode up to the front in trucks, and when you got close enough to shoot your took it off and started shooting. It wasn't designed to be engaged and disengaged every 5 minutes.

Russian troops are actually trained to use the safety any time they are up and moving except in a final assault/overrun sort of scenario. For fire and maneuver type situations, safety comes off after you reach cover/concealment, you shoot, and then safety back on before you come back up to move again.
 
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