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7/24/15 the Governor of Alabama told the ALDOT to remove all the signs. ALDOT stated they would comply with the Governors orders. The ALDOT stated all the signs would be removed by Saturday 7/25/15
 
Gary Slider said:
7/24/15 the Governor of Alabama told the ALDOT to remove all the signs. ALDOT stated they would comply with the Governors orders. The ALDOT stated all the signs would be removed by Saturday 7/25/15
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Thank you, Gary, for that update. All is well now.
 
gun_with_a_view said:
So are the signs saying "Armed Guard At Rest Area" still up as they were ten years ago in Alabama?
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I have only been living here for a few years but have never seen that sign on any AL rest area. I don't think they will be put back up either.

The no gun signs at the rest areas were a joke. Typically they were cheap letter stencils on the windows. Most were worn or peeling off just from age. There is one rest area that I always stop at on the way to visit the in laws in FL. It wasn't until the second or third time I stopped there I noticed the small and worn letters on the window to the front door. The "signs" are easily removed with a $2 razor and Goo-gone.
 
So are the signs saying "Armed Guard At Rest Area" still up as they were ten years ago in Alabama?
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I've been living here for 36 years and I never remember seeing one, maybe I just never noticed them. About 15 years ago I had good friend that worked for the state (DOT) and pulled weekend duty at a rest stop, he was always alone and unarmed.
 
jimmyraythomason, view the article in the link provided in post 2. There is a picture of two signs on one post; one bars weapons, the other, pets (other than service animals.)

Now, supposedly the ALDOT, who put up the no-weapons signs against authority, has been ordered to have them down (by today, actually.) I wonder if the other one will also be purged. Maybe it was intended, though, to only apply to inside buildings, but it's on the same post as the no-weapons signs, so that shows both were put up at the same time.
 
CapnMac said:
Wouldn't the entire notion of "no weapons in rest areas" violate FOPA?
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Not really. FOPA protects what I would call reasonable stops for gas, food, calls of nature etc. I don't think FOPA was written to force those moving from one state to another to carry empty water bottle to take care of those key bodily functions on long drives.
 
Not all that long ago, Alabama banned use of rest stop facilities by certain people. Same thing now, just different class of people.

Jim
 
Deaf Smith said:
Has anyone asked a Alabama cop their take on these rest stop signed?
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A good friend of mine is a police officer in Birmingham. He has the same advice for all areas that are posted. Unless the areas are enforceable, the signs do not carry the weight of law. Enforceable areas are court houses, airports, etc basically anywhere with metal detectors and some sort of security. Rest stops specifically do not count as an ALDOT secure zone.
 
Asking a LEO for legal advice is often not the best idea, from handgunlaw.us

"All “No Firearm”signs in Alabama may have the force of law. I am hearing from people in Alabama that with the new preemption law that people can file complai
nts against places that post that can’t legally post under Alabama law. Every answer coming back from the AG is stating “No Violation.” With the passage of HB47 which becomes effective on or about Sept 1, 2015 it makes it a Class C Misdemeanorand the way the State is interpretingthe law just about any sign on any property could be a violation of the law. It will take the courts to get this all straightened out and that will take time. Until it is straightened out in the courts Handgunlaw.us recommends you
not carry past any “No Firearms” signs."
 
flphotog said:
Asking a LEO for legal advice is often not the best idea, from handgunlaw.us
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Handgunlaw is equally, if not more so worse advice. HB47 only amends state codes 13A-11-57, 13A-11-61.2, 13A-11-72, 13A-11-76, 13A-11-79, 13A-11-84, 22-52-10.8, and 40-12-143.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection
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(a), a person, including a person with a permit issued under
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Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85,
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may not, without the express permission of a person or entity
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with authority over the premises, knowingly possess or carry a
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firearm inside any building or facility to which access of
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unauthorized persons and prohibited articles is limited during
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normal hours of operation by the continuous posting of guards
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and the use of other security features, including, but not
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limited to, magnetometers, key cards, biometric screening
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devices, or turnstiles or other physical barriers.
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Alabama rest areas do not fall under the "prohibited places" as outlined by 13A-11-61.2. HB47 also does not overturn or even amend section 13A-11-52 which states "Except as otherwise provided in this article, no person shall carry a pistol about his person on private property not his own or under his control unless the person possesses a valid concealed weapon permit or the person has the consent of the owner or legal possessor of the premises"
 
herrwalther, Rest Areas to everyone didn't fall under 13A-11-61.2. Handgunlaw.us never stated they did. ALDOT posted them and stated publicly that they would arrest anyone who carried a firearm past one of their signs in a rest area. Since the day the Governor ordered them to remove the signs this has been on the Alabama Page at Handgunlaw.us

Road Side Rest Areas: YES
Note: Alabama Governor on 7/24/15 order the ALDOT to remove all the No Gun Signs from the Rest Areas along the Interstates. ALDOT stated all the signs would be removed by 7/25/15. This puts to rest the ALDOT Posting all the buildings in Rest Areas in Alabama

As for gun signs having the force of law, Handgunlaw.us states THEY MAY HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW. The reason it is stated that way HB47 that places having security give those signs the force of law. People can petition the AG about those places and the AG has returned answers to the Gun Rights Groups in Alabama that even a closed door meets the requirements of security under HB47. That is the problem. What the AG is stating. Until they get this ironed out which will most likely take a court case and months if not Years Handgunlaw.us will continue to list Alabma No Gun Signs as "They May Have the Force of Law!" If you wish to be the test case you are welcome to be but Handgunlaw.us is not going to make someone a "Test Case!"
 
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