'Alamo' Movie Touches Raw Nerve in Mexico

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By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer

MEXICO CITY - Mexican audiences are bracing for "The Alamo," which depicts this country's most reviled traitor, one of its most humiliating defeats and events that ultimately cost Mexico half its territory.

There is scant comfort in the fact that Mexican forces won the 1836 battle of the Alamo: The movie closes with the Battle of San Jacinto one month later, which Mexico lost — along with Texas. Within a dozen years, Mexico went on to lose most of what later became California, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada and Arizona.

An audience at the Mexico City premiere Wednesday gasped at the final scenes of the Mexican army defeat at the hands of Texans — "in 18 minutes," according to the film.

"It was very much filmed from an American point of view. It didn't have very much good to say about the Mexican side," said Felix Boucham, 63, a Mexico City retiree and history buff. "I frankly expected the audience to boo some scenes."

Nor was it much comfort that part of the movie was in Spanish, with English subtitles, something director John Lee Hancock says he did for the sake of realism.

"This movie will without doubt cause polemics for Mexican audiences," the newspaper Reforma wrote in a review.

Mexican actor Emilio Echevarria — who plays the unappetizing role of Gen. Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, who led Mexican forces at the Alamo but later surrendered Texas — hopes the film will make Mexicans reflect.

"This chapter of history still hurts us very much, but if we don't turn back and try to understand it, we won't understand what's happening today," said Echevarria.

"Part of the weaknesses we see in Mexico at that time are still present," said Echevarria. "We were a weakened and fragmented society back then, and that prevented us from defending ourselves. Unfortunately, I see a lot of the same thing today."

The role of Santa Anna — a wily political schemer and Mexico's equivalent of Benedict Arnold — wasn't easy for a Mexican actor.

"We Mexicans have always condemned him, classified him as a traitor and nothing more," said Echevarria. "But if that was all he was, then how could he have been president of Mexico 11 times?"

On a personal level, "Santa Anna is a very attractive role for an actor," Echevarria said. "He has so many angles." Indeed, after losing Texas, Santa Anna actually sold part of Mexico to the United States — what later came to be known as the Gadsden Purchase — and kept coming back like the undead from exile or retirement until his death in 1876.

At least the current "The Alamo" movie is kinder to Mexico than John Wayne (news)'s super patriotic 1960 version, in which "the Mexican point of view wasn't even presented," said Hancock.

Hancock intentionally presented two heroic Mexican figures, one a Mexican army officer and one a rebel Tejano, as the long-standing Hispanic residents of Texas were known. "This is a Mexican movie, Texas was part of Mexico," Hancock said. "A lot of Americans don't know that."

Unfortunately, after Texas won independence, a lot of Tejanos were discriminated against no matter which side they fought on, Hancock noted. In one scene, independence hero Sam Houston warns a Tejano comrade to stay away from the fighting — for fear the Anglo rebels would shoot anyone who looked Mexican.

The biggest question Hancock had to answer is why he didn't end the movie with the fall of the Alamo, but instead went on to depict the rebels' victory at San Jacinto, where Santa Anna was captured and his army wiped out.

"Some people suggested I tacked it on at the end so the good guys could win," Hancock said. "That wasn't it. I wanted it to be the completion ... and most importantly, it is parallel bloodlust."

One thing about the movie rings true with present-day Texas: it is sprinkled with Spanish — something movie studios seem to have fewer problems with today.

"When I came on board," Hancock recalled, "one of the first things I talked to Disney about was, 'If I'm gonna do this, I want Spanish and subtitles. I felt it added to the realism. They had no problem with that."

Still, Mexicans said it could have been more realistic.

"It would have been closer to the truth," Boucham noted, "if they had mentioned in the movie the United States at that time was just seeking to expand, and take as much territory as they could."
 
Raw nerve....


Look where the borders are now.... Get over it and move on....

It's history, study it, don't repeat the mistakes, and get over it and move on....

This is almost as raw as the nerve as reparation for slavery to people that were not slaves...:cuss:
 
So are the Mexicans complaining about any specific inaccuracies? Or just the overall portrayal?
 
"It would have been closer to the truth," Boucham noted, "if they had mentioned in the movie the United States at that time was just seeking to expand, and take as much territory as they could."

They could have also mentioned that the Mexican's had no more right to steal the land from the native American's than did the Anglo's, or that the Anglos were invited in by the Mexican government to settle Texas and that there were more of them than Tejanos in Texas at the time of the Alamo.
 
Ok, great. They lost a lot of territory back in the mid 19th century. Can't they feel better about the all out successful invasion they've staged against the US? They've regained that lost territory, plus much much more. The entire US, not just the southwest, is slowly being dragged back to the pits of mexico.
 
I forget which columnist wrote this but I loved it.

"The difference between Mexico and US is easy to see. The US remembers the Alamo, which is just one building. Mexico remembers Texas."


hillbilly
 
It was very much filmed from an American point of view.
I just can't imagine why. There is not a thing stopping the Mexican film industry from producing a movie filmed from a Mexican point of view.

Rick
 
Maybe they should have done it like that old Pearl Harbor movie--they can run the Mexican armies and actors and we run the Texan side. :rolleyes:
 
The Firing Line had some very informed Alamo scholars who knew a lot of information on Texas history of the time. I think most of those scholars are now members of this site.

I strongly recommend this thread:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=139745

This thread is not only immensely informative, but contains an exciting exchange when a revisionist tries to inject an interpretation of events not supported by the bulk of the documentation.
 
Tough noogies.

Natedog said:
Not surprising. No one wants to see a movie about how their very large and well equipped army was defeated by a band of volunteer Texas militiamen.

True, but I think the federal government ought to watch this and take heed before they think about imposing martial law or suspending the Constitution in the wake of future large-scale terrorist attacks.
 
I am really excited about this movie. I know there are going to be some parts that I disagree with (Crockett’s demise for one). However, I realize there is enough disagreement in the academic world regarding these issues to allow for different portrayals. So long as the movie portrays a certain “attitudeâ€, I am not going to get too terribly worked up over Crockett’s death, Bowie’s specific sickness, Travis’s “line in the sandâ€, or any of the other things that might or might not be done in the movie the way I personally think they were done in real life.
 
ahenry,

I look forward to your review. I think you know more about that period of Texas history than anyone I know, and I suspect much more than anyone associated with the movie.
 
I wasn't going to watch it but now I just might. I don't really care a hoot about how accurately a movie portrays history - they never do! I'll just go hoping for a good flick to sit back and watch.

As for the Mexicans' objections - get over it! It could be worse, I recall seeing some old paintings of the battle with the Mexican soldiers painted to look more like, and I'm not kidding, the flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz.

I saw in the article a somewhat veiled slur against the John Wayne version. I don't think this was fair either. It was known, and evident in the film, that Wayned wanted to portray the Mexican army in a realistic and human manner.
 
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