hoardingthemanual
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I find great comfort in knowing this. It’s good to see the right thing being done.
Alarming Trend, High Percentage of Guns Stolen Are From Vehicles
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I find great comfort in knowing this. It’s good to see the right thing being done.
Just ordered a console lock box for my truck. Gonna be installed this week. It would definitely slow down a thief. Sometimes you have to leave it in the car. Another thing good to do is keep your serial numbers or your firearms somewhere. It is good to report a stolen firearm and that maybe later be used in a crime. There is also a small possibility that it may be returned to you at a later date.
Old Dog
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Wait, you're hoping a citizen loses his/her gun rights for "allowing" the firearm to be stolen from a presumably locked vehicle?
And you are supposed to be a supporter of the RKBA?
So I guess when we leave our locked homes, we should remove all our property to ensure it's not stolen lest a criminal breaks in?
Let's continue with our victim shaming and not blame the actual criminal.
There is only so much one can do to secure a firearm in a vehicle. Should we take precautions? Absolutely. But suggesting that one lose his gun rights for having a gun stolen, well, you may be the problem, just like the NYC DA.
FL-NC
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We live in a very low crime area. The pistols that are stored in my trucks are kept in lock boxes that are in turn cable locked to the interior of the vehicles- these are carried in addition to my concealed handgun that is on my body. I always lock/alarm my trucks. Mrs. Fl-NC has a pistol in a backpack with other emergency essentials locked in the trunk of her car. In both of my trucks I also store H&R partner pump defense shotguns- the ones wally world used to sell for about $140- I boguht them second hand for even less.They are stashed out of sight behind the bench seats of the trucks. If they are stolen, the cost of the window(s) that were broken to facilitate the theft will far exceed the cost of the shotgun.
.455_Hunter
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This is the correct answer, along with a mandate that places that are able to restrict carry provide secure storage for patron weapons while on-site.
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Old Dog
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Upon further review, this exactly what states and cities are doing, in spite of legal concealed carry and Bruen, making more prohibited areas to stop citizens from carrying at all. This is playing right into the hands of the antigun factions.
Probably the same jurisdictions that won't respond if a theft is below $1000.
That looks like the same one I popped open with a screwdriver after I lost the key. It was maybe quicker than using a key.
I get that it's better than the sheet of tempered glass you've secured your stuff behind when you locked your car.
"I read in San Francisco, people were leaving their cars open because people would break in to cars and search for things of value, so why not just leave the car open and empty so you don't have to repair a broken window."
A friend of mine worked in an ATT office in NJ. They told him on his first day make sure everything was out of his car, and leave it unlocked, because they'll break your window. Sure enough by the time he parked his car, got into the building and looked out the window somebody was in his car dumping everything out of the glovebox and checking under the seats.
Some people are comfortable living in that environment where the criminals just do what they do, everybody accepts it, and it's your fault if you allow something to get stolen. I'm not that kind of people.
Anchorite
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So in your example I should be able to go to my local bank and walk in and hand over my CCW to …. someone…. and then stroll up to the teller counter and conduct my business.
What could possibly go wrong in that scenario?
I mean, think about what you just said.
.455_Hunter
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I fully understand my statement. The bank wouldn't be able to restrict carry unless they had full comprehensive screening for all entrants, plus requisite ratios of armed security on the inside. Most open to the public locations would not take such expensive and time consuming steps, but if they did, providing of secure storage would be mandatory.
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So to answer the OP, when I leave a gun in my vehicle for any extended period of time (other than in my employer's parking lot), here's what I do.
- I park the vehicle in a highly visible spot whenever possible. This means anyone tampering with it would be exposed to the eyes of passersby.
- I don't have any stickers (political or otherwise) on my vehicle. Nothing to suggest I may be a gun owner.
- I LOCK THE VEHICLE. Every time I step away from it. Always.
- I lock the gun inside a container, or to the frame of the vehicle.
- I hide the gun in such a way that it is in no way visible from the outside.
- I keep the interior slightly messy, so it doesn't look appreciably different whether there's a gun in there or not.
No.
If I have a doctor's appointment at a hospital where there are metal detectors, that does not mean I'm going to be disarmed driving there, at Wal-Mart after I leave and for the drive home. Heck no.
I was a teacher in KY for years, carry in the school was a felony so I did not carry in the school; I was not unarmed driving to/from or running errands afterward. Heck with that.
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Speedo66
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So by leaving it in a parked car aren’t you taking a big chance of putting a gun into the hands of the people you’re worried about in the first place?
Yes, that would be tremendously inconvenient and expensive for that institution, wouldn't it? Maybe even so much so that they'd decide that restricting what their patrons carry/wear isn't worth it.
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If they didn't already have guns, you'd have a worthwhile point. Unfortunately it seems you're forgetting about all the other avenues criminal use to get guns. Straw purchases, private sales, 80% kits, and a number of others.
They already have guns. They can get guns in other ways. But you'd rather have the law abiding public disarm themselves?
Anchorite
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Sigh...
I fully understand my statement. The bank wouldn't be able to restrict carry unless they had full comprehensive screening for all entrants, plus requisite ratios of armed security on the inside. Most open to the public locations would not take such expensive and time consuming steps, but if they did, providing of secure storage would be mandatory.
You good with courthouses functioning the same way? As in, the Citizen strolls up to the main entrance, pulls out his keys, wallet, pocketknife, takes off his belt, holster, CCW, phone and contents of his pocket and hands that all over to the deputy?
Anchorite
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Or restrict access to the lobby.
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From what I've anecdotally heard from victims and seen myself, pickup trucks (whether privately owned or commercially owned) are the biggest targets of break ins. At businesses, hotels, restaurants, industrial areas, work sites, apartments, home driveways, etc.
I've given up driving a truck for work as a traveling service tech back in 2004 or so, due to my own truck being broken into and two handfuls of tools stolen from it. Many if not most traveling working class folks still need a pickup truck. I'm lucky I have options, and so far I haven't had a break in for 19 years.
I still carry everywhere, and if I can't carry into an particular establishment then that gun stays in my vehicle. I travel away from my home town for work for many days at a time and spend a lot of time in hotels. My schedule for the week may start out with a known permissive carry situation on Monday, but by Thursday I may have to respond to a service call in a "secure" area that wasn't on my schedule before the week started. I don't like the idea of going without a carry gun in the "weird" parts of cities I tend to work in (and sleep in) across the state.
When at home I can leave a gun in my vehicle if I wish because I park in the closed garage and turn off the garage door power while inside. At a hotel, my gun(s) go inside with me. And my vehicle is always locked, even in my powered down garage.
I've given up driving a truck for work as a traveling service tech back in 2004 or so, due to my own truck being broken into and two handfuls of tools stolen from it. Many if not most traveling working class folks still need a pickup truck. I'm lucky I have options, and so far I haven't had a break in for 19 years.
I still carry everywhere, and if I can't carry into an particular establishment then that gun stays in my vehicle. I travel away from my home town for work for many days at a time and spend a lot of time in hotels. My schedule for the week may start out with a known permissive carry situation on Monday, but by Thursday I may have to respond to a service call in a "secure" area that wasn't on my schedule before the week started. I don't like the idea of going without a carry gun in the "weird" parts of cities I tend to work in (and sleep in) across the state.
When at home I can leave a gun in my vehicle if I wish because I park in the closed garage and turn off the garage door power while inside. At a hotel, my gun(s) go inside with me. And my vehicle is always locked, even in my powered down garage.
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They make these metal locking boxes (safes) that can be attached to sturdy parts of a vehicle with a cable.
I had one that bolted to the floor when I drove a Jeep Wrangler.
.455_Hunter
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Well, let's just discuss how it has worked for me in real life, not fantasy. One day I had to go to a secure LE faculty, and when I approached the checkpoint, I announced I was a legally armed citizen. They immediately directed me stage left to where an array of lock boxes was waiting. I secured my sidearm, extra ammo and knife, and brought the key with me through the screening station. Upon exiting the secure area, I re-armed. Really rather drama free, and no valid reason why a similar system, perhaps in a side room to avoid upseting the blissninnies, could not be implemented at any secure venue.
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.455_Hunter
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It shouldn't have to be that way. Either the venue allows carry, or has on-site storage for you to secure your weapon. Plus, the roadies don't get to prop open the alley door.
Howland937
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Sorry, but if the tech geniuses can't come up with an app to remind idiots not to leave their babies in the car, they're not gonna bother with guns.
The county sheriff's department has dropped off cruisers for repairs and on several occasions AR's were left in vehicles. Of course this is a big no-no, and I've lectured more than one on the risk of firearms being stolen from vehicles. The Col told me one time that over 80% of their firearm theft reports involve guns taken from vehicles. Surprised the deputies weren't given this info.
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