Kyle M.
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.375 H&H it's all you'll ever need now go buy one and go hunt.
.375 H&H it's all you'll ever need now go buy one and go hunt.
Can't argue with that..375 H&H it's all you'll ever need now go buy one and go hunt.
Indeed but it's not quite the deep penetrating Hammer of Thor that 'some' folks think it is.220 gr. is pretty common ammo for 30-06 from Remchesteral and found even at Wal Mart....
And up to 180gr is has ZERO advantage over a shorter and lighter .308. Along with all the other cartridges that do exactly the same job, without the Kool Aid.That said from 180 gr. up a stout -06 is very good big bear medicine...
Misfortune that some folks would rather think for themselves rather than run with the crowd???Their misfortune, I personally have never met anyone who disparages that round like some here have.
Mediocre? Sorry, but my dad hunted almost exclusively in Alaska with his 30-06 and put several moose, dozens of caribou and three black bear on the family table feeding us hungry kids. Sorry, I believe your view of this great caliber is very much a minority view. It has and will continue to be the measure that all other calibers in this range are judged. .308 in Alaska, no thanks.Indeed but it's not quite the deep penetrating Hammer of Thor that 'some' folks think it is.
And up to 180gr is has ZERO advantage over a shorter and lighter .308. Along with all the other cartridges that do exactly the same job, without the Kool Aid.
Misfortune that some folks would rather think for themselves rather than run with the crowd???
Bottom line is that the .30/06 is not the best for anything. It does well in a number of roles but is not perfect for anything, regardless of popular opinion. There are better deer/antelope cartridges that fit into lighter rifles, shoot flatter and are easier on the shoulder. There are better large game cartridges that pack more punch with a bigger, heavier bullet. Let's be honest, who really wants to hunt everything "from mice to moose" with one rifle/cartridge? This ain't 1850 when all you needed was a horse and a pack mule to hunt the whole continent. It's 2012 and if you can afford to hunt all over North America, surely you can afford to have several rifles that are better suited to their particular tasks. Rather than one mediocre one.
The only reasons I can think of are (1) you are fairly recoil sensitive. The .308 isn't all that hard-kicking, but there are cartidges with less kick that are perfectly suitable for deer. THe .243 is probably the most recommended, but even the 7mm/08 is ligher recoling. (2) You don't want to use the same cartridge as everyone else. The .308 is a justifiably popular cartridge but some people just like to be different. The .257 Roberts, the .260 Remington, or the 6.5x55mm won't kill a deer any deader, but they are all good chartridges in their own right and its much less likely any of your hunting buddies will have one, too. Finally, (3) maybe you don't want a bolt action? There are some fine lever action rifles in proper chamberings that are well suited to most eastern hunting. The old .30-30, the .35 Remington, or even some pistol cartridges make fine woodlands deer getters.Before I run out and purchase my first .308, would anyone care to make a convincing case for .243, .270, or some other similar cartridge?
Indeed but it's not quite the deep penetrating Hammer of Thor that 'some' folks think it is.
Chris S. of Juneau, AK
This bullet is truly a heavy weight performer king when it come to 30 cal. bullets. I took a nice 7 1/2 ft brown bear with this bullet in 30-06 (2550 fps) that was causing trouble around are camp near Yakutat, AK. the fall of 2001. Shot was taken at 40 yards broadside chest through the right shoulder. Dropped the bear in his tracks. The Nosler 220 Partition drove a ping pong ball size hole through the bear that exit through the shoulder. Impressive! And accurate! It is my go bullet when my shots will be less then 200 yards in the 30-06.
And up to 180gr is has ZERO advantage over a shorter and lighter .308. Along with all the other cartridges that do exactly the same job, without the Kool Aid.
Lotsa .30-06 koolaid around here. Equals a .300 mag, eh?
Exactly......If someone equals 308 to 30-06 then by the same logic we can comfortably equal a 30-06 to a 300 Win Mag...
Fair enough, that works for you, but a lot of folks would consider the .308 less than an all around caliber for all of north America. 30-06 fits that role well. Lot's of folks I know back east use the 30-06 as well. It truly is that all around caliber.OP here...
I discounted 30-06 because it's more than I need in my area, and I can get 90% of the performance for half the recoil in a .308 Win.
30-06 is a fine caliber, but it's more than I need to solve the problem as defined in the OP (<=400 yard shots @ <=elk sized game). If I ever move out west where larger animals or longer shots are a serious concern, then I'll buy a bigger rifle.
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I think it's that lots of people actually read the original post and not just the thread title.All this thread has shown is that for some strange reason some people don't like the 30-06
Funny, I didn't see the -06 being excluded in the OP...I think it's that lots of people actually read the original post and not just the thread title.
The OP said he doesn't want a .30-06 which is one excellent reason to suggest something else. Everyone doesn't have to use the same rifle
see post #38 by the OPFunny, I didn't see the -06 being excluded in the OP...
yep , after you said you had counted out the beloved 06' the "30-06 is better than everything else war" got started ,OMG !!!!! it never ends ,Also... wow. 140 posts and counting? I had no idea...
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.....If someone equals 308 to 30-06 then by the same logic we can comfortably equal a 30-06 to a 300 Win Mag...
Is the handi rifle I posted the pic of in post #135 like what you are looking at, or were looking at, that one is 308
not for sale ,sorry,,,, one of my boys got his first deer with that 308 handi , so it will be his some day , I thought in an another post you were leaning to a 308 ?That's a beautiful rifle, and more or less precisely what I had in mind (though possibly in another caliber, and with different glass).
Yours wouldn't happen to be for sale, would it?
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