Am I just getting old here?

[Okiecruffler]

Stellarpod, you have my appology for the "stella" thing. It wasn't intentional. I was in the middle of charting and just in the grove of abbreviating everything over 7 letters.
And I'll give you that at least 90% of all shooters could use some more range time. I doubt anyone has ever had too much range time.
And to be honest I use the term "Tackicool" in part for the same reason I use "Sillywetts" I don't have a dictionary handy. but in part I also use it because I find it amusing.
And I'll even admit to not just carrying a few extra pounds, but a few extra people. It doesn't stop me from doing what I want to do, but I am starting to feel it. And yet often I'm still the "skinny" guy at the range and gunshow. We really should take better care of ourselves.
But heck, I still like you even if you aren't a native Okie. At least you had the good sense to move here. If we're ever at the range together the drinks are on me.

And Dave or whichever Mod is probably thinking about it right now, you can close this thread without worrying about my feelings. I started the thread kinda tongue in cheek to see if I could rile a few folks (probably the wrong thing to do), but I think some people have taken it personally and I never intended that. Anyone who feels like they haven't given me whatfor can email me at [email protected]. No reason to burn up bandwidth rehashing the same old stuff.

 

[wileycoyote]

My friend maybe your right about what you make as compared to my retirement pension - but seeing that it's nobodies F-ing business what I make and I'm not about to post it here - LOL...

I will say this with authority - I retired from a major Police force that was the highest paid force in the whole Country at the time I retired. I would venture to say that I probably make more in my retirement then you do in your base salary, and I'm pretty comfortable in saying that ...

 

[Okiecruffler]

Could be, I only know what the pay is around these parts and it's embarrassing. Story in todays paper about a fella who killed his girlfriend, got arrested by an officer who saw him shove a pistol in his waistband. Officer was offduty working as a security guard to make ends meet. That ain't right.
But neither here nor there I suppose.

 

[Dave McCracken]

Thanks, John. Those eight words ring true.

Frankenstein is obviously a mutt but runs like Seabiscuit. Being a mutt myself, I enjoy the similiarity. And we've surprised the heck out of a few people.

I oughta shoot Frank and one of my bellsnwhistles 870s with all the stuff on and compare scores and splits. I've a hunch there's not much difference.

 

[3fgburner]

Snarlingiron,

That is, indeed, a formidable HD weapon. If you ever find yourself facing a goblin with it, I would submit to you an excellent phrase with which to address him. This comes from a friend of mine who works at Jamestown. J. was driving along, and out of the goodness of his heart picked up a hitch-hiker. The hitcher tried to carjack him with a knife. J. reached behind the seat, pulled up a Queen Anne pistol, and said,

"Don't MAKE me chip a flint in yo' ass..."

 

[Okiecruffler]

You know, one of these days I just may load up and take the Dave Challenge. Not that I think I would have a chance, it'd just be an honor to shoot with you. My theory on well worn shotguns has always been "How you think they got that way"
One of my most humbling experiences was watching an old fella walk off with an old silvered ratty pump shotgun over his shoulder and a wad of my well earned cash in his pocket. I learned alot that day, like what it was like to only be able to afford crow for lunch. None too satisfying.

 

[Okiecruffler]

"Don't MAKE me chip a flint in yo' ass..."

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

 

[Dave McCracken]

Like to shoot with you too, John, competition be darned. Just two friends a shootin'.

"Well worn shotguns". Yup, that's how they get that way.

 

[Robert Hairless]

My friend maybe your right about what you make as compared to my retirement pension - but seeing that it's nobodies F-ing business what I make and I'm not about to post it here - LOL...

I will say this with authority - I retired from a major Police force that was the highest paid force in the whole Country at the time I retired. I would venture to say that I probably make more in my retirement then you do in your base salary, and I'm pretty comfortable in saying that ...

I will say this with authority. It is everybody's business how much money you make. You made it everybody's business by saying that you make more money than anyone else here. So tell us exactly how much you make and prove it with some credible evidence. Stop dodging: you make assertions, claim the authority to do so, deny everyone else's authority, and then refuse to prove what you say. What department do you claim to have belonged to, how much was your retirement pay in 2007, and what was your total net income that year? We'll wait until later this year for updated reports.

My authority includes but is not limited to knowing two retired cops--personally. Both of them have moustaches. I bet you don't have a moustache. I also drove by a police station today and, on the way, saw three police cars with active duty police officers in them. So I know much more about shotguns than you do, and as additional proof--incontrovertible evidence--I saw a video of Tom Knapp shooting 8 clay pigeons out of the air.

I also said "Hello officer" to a real cop once. You can't beat that as ancillary authority I betcha.

So there. End of discussion. And I did it without cursing even once.

Now that we're friends and since you have so much money, can you spare a thousand dollars for a cup of coffee? I like fresh coffee so I want to drink it in Brazil. You're rich. You won't miss a grand here or there. Poor people like me need to rely on wealthy people like you for the finer things in life.

 

[PTK]

Though I own NFA items, "tactical" items, main battle rifles, etc., my SHTF gun is a single shot properly fit 12ga NEF single shot. I've now got over 3,000 rounds through it, no problems except it's starting to show some wear marks. Oh well, it's honest wear.

For home defense, I have a slightly different outlook. Due to past happenings, I may well encounter more than one person looking to do me serious harm. I keep a PS90 (50 rounds) and an AR-15 (30 rounds) loaded and handy for home defense, but they're both rifles I can hit fast and accurately with. Likewise, my carry gun is a FN USG Five-seveN (20 rounds), but it's not something I bought and suddenly thought I could point shoot properly with. For what it's worth, I also feel pretty comfy carrying my 1940s S&W M&P in .38spl.

I don't fall victim to either the "stock or it's trash" OR the "tactical means I'm a great marksman now!" thinking. I'm fast and accurate with my single shot shotguns, my short barreled guns, my pistols and revolvers, my rifles, etc.

Of course, if it were a life and death situation and I had a choice between a tricked out shotgun with pistol grips, extended mag, heatshield, etc. and a bone stock single shot NEF.... I'd pick the NEF each and every single time.

It's not technology that chafes me, it's mindset.

It boils down to this, if you can't shoot, you can't shoot, and nothing you bolt, screw or glue on that gun is gonna make a bit of difference.

Agreed on both parts, fellows!

 

[wileycoyote]

Your truly a silly man Mr. Hairless and may I remind you (please read back through the thread I'm not the one that started the discussion about who makes more money) please open your eyes and read, that's right read, read, there you go Mr. Hairless, there you go ... silly man! Oh and one more thing it's none of your business what I make and there's no way you will ever find out, but, when I'm on my second cup of starbucks coffee tomorrow morning around 8:15AM watching morning Joe on MSNBC I'll be thinking about you at work or on your way to, and hoping you have a wonderful day - wink, wink, have fun!!!

I'm not debating - I'm done, over and out, don't waste your time posting more nonsense on my behalf because I will not be reading it -I am officially checking out of this pathetically stupid thread -

 

[41magsnub]

Wiley, you must be new here.. you don't really want to debate Mr Hairless on something as stupid as this.

 

[Ed Ames]

I will say this with authority. It is everybody's business how much money you make.

Rah rah rah! Sic'im 'airless!

Let's take an edumucated guess... Boston PD has some of the highest paid cops in the country... but most of that is in overtime and detail pay. Base pay for a sergeant with some seniority would be about 80K, or a captain about $100K. Let's say 'yote was on the 100K bus. Retirement is half at 20 years... but some dept's do 3/4 at 30 years+ (not sure if Boston is one) so if the 'yote claims to be getting 3/4 pay that's maybe $75K/yr. Maybe more or less but that's a good ballpark.

To scale that... if he retired at 56 then his life expectancy is 83. 27 years. Do some interest calculation magic (assuming a hearty 6.5% interest) and that comes to an equivalent net savings (the amount he would need to have saved to equal his projected retirement payout) of about $900K. Of course if he retired at 60 his life expectancy would actually be about 76 and his equivalent net savings would only be about $700K. If he retired at 64? Let's just say four years can seem like a long time (we hope) and $250K is a very respectable sum, right? That's like getting a free house these days (though certainly not in the northeast). Man, actuarial tables are MEAN!

None of that is anything to be ashamed of of course. Well, so long as they have decent inflation adjustments and so forth. To scale it... if, at 25, he started saving about $5000/yr, he'd have more income available at retirement and his survivors would get a nice lump of cash if he died early instead of...well... nothing. Saving $5000/yr is very respectable.

 

[Robert Hairless]

I'm new here but one thing I can and will say (I'm sure I will get in trouble for this, but I don't care) people on this board are over opinionated, and argumentative.... and they like to trash others.

A well written post about your opinion is all - no need to go over the top with name calling because someone is using something you don't have and probably can't afford - and yes I am pretty sure I'm right about this forum!!!
My friend maybe your right about what you make as compared to my retirement pension - but seeing that it's nobodies F-ing business what I make and I'm not about to post it here - LOL...

I will say this with authority - I retired from a major Police force that was the highest paid force in the whole Country at the time I retired. I would venture to say that I probably make more in my retirement then you do in your base salary, and I'm pretty comfortable in saying that ...

Your truly a silly man Mr. Hairless and may I remind you (please read back through the thread I'm not the one that started the discussion about who makes more money) please open your eyes and read, that's right read, read, there you go Mr. Hairless, there you go ... silly man! Oh and one more thing it's none of your business what I make and there's no way you will ever find out, but, when I'm on my second cup of starbucks coffee tomorrow morning around 8:15AM watching morning Joe on MSNBC I'll be thinking about you at work or on your way to, and hoping you have a wonderful day - wink, wink, have fun!!!

I'm not debating - I'm done, over and out, don't waste your time posting more nonsense on my behalf because I will not be reading it -I am officially checking out of this pathetically stupid thread -

Although I appreciate your sweet talk, I must inform you that I'm happily married: this online relationship can lead nowhere. Don't be disheartened though. You're sure to find others who are almost as silly as I am but are available to a wealthy retired cop with nothing better to do than come into a thread to tell people off and swear at them.

It's a respectable hobby nowadays, and people melt at the knees when confronted by an alpha male in heat, especially when he has money and drinks Starbucks coffee.

Look, I hope that this doesn't mean you're not sending me the $1,000? Okay, how about $750? I'll settle for $50 so I can have a few cups of Starbucks, listen to the cool music there, and maybe buy a small piece of cake. My noseprints get all over the window when I press against it to look at the privileged class with yearning.

Anyone else want to talk about shotguns? I don't mind learning from over opinionated, argumentative folks who like to trash others.

 

[sm]

Anyone else want to talk about shotguns? I don't mind learning from over opinionated, argumentative folks who like to trash others.

I do!

Wanna hear how Marine Magnum shotguns don't float, or how about the time I experimented with a load of miniature gum balls for pest control loads, or...

Hang on, I'll think of something...

 

[Deer Hunter]

Guns in the hands of the people are what matter. Doesn't matter what they look like. Whether it be an old grouse gun or a sleek "Tactical" black gun doesn't matter one iota. Opinions vary, as does venues and culture. What's right for one isn't right for another, etc. Don't get too wrapped up in it. If it shoots hot lead, it's a friend of mine.

And if it shoots LOTS of hot lead, I'd go so far as to call it family.

 

[Okiecruffler]

Nah, I'm tired of talking shotguns, I wanna hear about people who pay Starbuck's prices for coffee.To be fair, it was me who said I make more than most people on this board, I can say that because I know what I make compared to the national average. And if you want to know exactly what I made last year I'll send you my W2's and you can do my taxes. Can't possibly do any worse than my current accountant. Talk about someone I'd like to take a shotgun to.
Steve, I've never used gumballs, but I did load some popcorn shells (they didn't pop), used flour for shot buffer once (everyone for miles knew exactly where our duck blind was) and used a 12 ga slug on a rabbit once (always remember which barrel is which). Just pick a topic, hell I'm tired of this one and I started this pathetically stupid thread.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Wanna hear how Marine Magnum shotguns don't float, or how about the time I experimented with a load of miniature gum balls for pest control loads, or...

Nope, I am not going to bite on your gum balls but I do have a couple of real questions about the Marine Magnum.

First question: How well does the nickle plating protect against salt water corrosion? I'm curious about whether the Marine Magnum can be stored on a boat and left there without care or whether it requires frequent maintenance.

Second question: Would an 870 coated with GunKote--or even GunKote over Parkerizing, the way Wilson/Scattergun does--resist salt water corrosion as well or better than the Marine Magnum?

 

[ConstantineC9]

Exactly, I dont care if I get flamed for saying this so here it goes: If all you can afford is a Hi Point, buy it, it's gonna serve it's purpose and it's better than nothin.

 

[sm]

Re: Magnums.

My Experience is with the older Remingtons.

Freshwater:
Yes they do assist in resisting water damage.
Some were tested in and around Catfish Farms, as they do get out and into boats, and with all they handle, such as feed and other chemicals, and handling and exposures do work.
They work when it is raining too, and the shiny metal, is a safety measure.
Easy to see the gun and it being secured. That tidbit was mentioned in regard to insurance and liability btw.

Farms, Ranches , similar exposures.
Crop dusters spray, folks work in the rain and all, feed seed and even Sod Farms ( where they grow grass for golf courses, and foot ball fields and the like) use these for pest control.
Two legged pests were one concern near a Sod Farm.

Saltwater:
I do not live near salt water.
I did go to where salt water was, and test.
I paid attention to those that do live near, and what all their experiences were with Marine Magums and other finishes.

Other finishes ( or not) I can address another time.
Just some situations , folks want shiney, and not trying to hide or conceal the shotgun so much.
It is a tool, and used as such.

On board storage - works great!

I really do not know if these newer Marine guns, are the same as the older ones.

 

[sm]

Re: Magnums.

My Experience is with the older Remingtons.

Freshwater:
Yes they do assist in resisting water damage.
Some were tested in and around Catfish Farms, as they do get out and into boats, and with all they handle, such as feed and other chemicals, and handling and exposures do work.
They work when it is raining too, and the shiny metal, is a safety measure.
Easy to see the gun and it being secured. That tidbit was mentioned in regard to insurance and liability btw.

Farms, Ranches , similar exposures.
Crop dusters spray, folks work in the rain and all, feed seed and even Sod Farms ( where they grow grass for golf courses, and foot ball fields and the like) use these for pest control.
Two legged pests were one concern near a Sod Farm.

Saltwater:
I do not live near salt water.
I did go to where salt water was, and test.
I paid attention to those that do live near, and what all their experiences were with Marine Magums and other finishes.

Other finishes ( or not) I can address another time.
Just some situations , folks want shiney, and not trying to hide or conceal the shotgun so much.
It is a tool, and used as such.

On board storage - works great

I really do not know if these newer Marine guns, are the same as the older ones.

Quickly, the OLD Scattergun Tech, held up fine, now that the fella in NW AR owns ST, the finish is not the same , nor does it hold up.

 

[Titan6]

Now that we're friends and since you have so much money, can you spare a thousand dollars for a cup of coffee? I like fresh coffee so I want to drink it in Brazil. You're rich. You won't miss a grand here or there. Poor people like me need to rely on wealthy people like you for the finer things in life.

I always knew Hairless was a closet socialist. Especially if he drinks at Starbucks.

I'm curious about whether the Marine Magnum can be stored on a boat and left there without care or whether it requires frequent maintenance.

My experience has been limited to finding rusty ones at gunshows. So they do rust, but how that came to be I do not know. I remember when they first came out at my gun shop back in 91' and thinking "I have got to get me one of those". They were only about $215 NiB. Instead I bought a Bennelli that I no longer have. Next year the prices were over $300 and they didn't seem as appealing anymore. Now the dealers want $400 for the old rusty ones?....!