am i missing something on the nagant?

[Bezoar]

ive always read the mosin kicks like a mule when you shoot it with heavy bullets, particularly military surplus heavy ball.
however the other day i finally got to shoot some bulgarian made 1954 circa heavy ball. it shot great. recoil wasnt really reciol i was expecting. i was expecting a massive kick to my shoulder.
i had that stock pulled in nice and hard to my shoulder pocket, braced with off arm, and using my whole body, recoil was like a 30-30 levergun, cept the barrel and me kinda rolled back and up which im not used to. with the sling aroudn my elbow i shot dead on at the correct range for the 200 meter sight in. bayonet most likely helped me out.

second, people here and there complain the trigger is crap. however my 1930 made 91/30 the trigger is perfect. its better then any triger ive tried on a 870 or bolt action rifle made by winchester since 1998.

so im wondering here, how did the negative comments myths get started on a great gun and cartridge? sure the heavy ball is way to penetrating.

 

[stubbicatt]

IMO, milsurp rifles run the gamut in terms of condition and even variation in original manufacture. I like the Mosin Nagant, and don't find the recoil objectionable. I do not have issues with these rifles other than occasional bolt stick.

 

[_N4Z_]

recoil even in the smaller M44's is not that bad, if your shooting standing up or off a knee. prone position is a different story though.

put that same animal on a bag and bench, send a few down range, and I bet30-30 is not be what comes to mind. all that "rolling" you experienced will now be focused into your shoulder. not a 12ga., but you will feel the difference.

my M39's have a slip on recoil pad for bench time.

 

[ColinthePilot]

+1 on the bench shooting. I can shoot about 10rds from the bench before I case that rifle for the day, but I can shoot as many as I have from a standing position. I usually get tired of reloading before I get tired of shooting my M38.

 

[Z71]

I've got quite an assortment of military surplus bolt rifles.

I never thought the Russian Nagants were all that bad either.

A couple that do kick, at least for me, are the US 1903 .30-06(mines a Rock Island), and the Steyr Mannlicher 8x56R carbine.

My daughter shoots a Russian M38, about the lightest of the Mosin Nagants. She will bang off 5 shots, take a break and shoot 5 more shots. After maybe 20 rounds, she's done, shoulder sore!

Another that has some "shoulder whop" is my British No.5 Mk.I jungle carbine. Recoil isn't so bad, but it's compounded by the silly petrified rubber recoil pad!

I still think the 1903 US is the worst I own for recoil. However other folks think it's a pussycat? Must just be me.

Nah, the Mosin Nagants ain't that big a deal.

 

[Kind of Blued]

One round from my 91/30 hurts alot more than 10 rounds from my .50 BMG and my trigger is utter crap.

...so I don't know...

 

[elmerfudd]

I don't think there are any standard issue military rifles that have heavy recoil. Think about it. They were all designed to be rifles that could be fired quickly and repeatedly by troops who likely were smaller than Americans are today and usually had limited exposure to firearms. Maybe compared to M16's and other 5.56 rifles they kick hard, but they really don't come close to a magnum hunting rifle.

 

[rangerruck]

91/30 is about twice the weight of a 38, that'll do it. Also , there is a ton of slop in themosin trigger, you cand bend the sear part, and the trigger/hammer part like a seesaw made of lead. Of course, this also lends itself to being easily remedied. also, you can put a washer or two at the base of the bolt, before adding those parts back on, to get an even shorter, crisper, lighter trigger pull.
But generally speaking, as they come, they typically suck.

 

[Ivy Mike]

It comes down to shouldering the rifle the right way. Its a good shove, but as long as you keep it tucked in the right way its fine.

Truth be told, I think my 03A3 kicks harder than my M44. But then again, it doesn't really bother me either. I'm just not a sissy.

 

[NCsmitty]

I've shot a lot of potent rifles in my day, and a M44 off the bench will punish you with that club stock and stiff milsurp loads. A slip on pad really helps and the trigger just has to be learned. It's the kind of rifle that you can throw off a cliff and it will still work.

NCsmitty

 

[Cacique500]

A Nagant is a pistol, a Mosin or Mosin Nagant is a rifle.

 

[Todd1700]

I have a 91/30 and anyone who thinks this particular model of a Mosin Nagant kicks badly must have spent a lifetime shooting nothing but 22's. It's so heavy the recoil is actually what I would call mild. I could shoot it all day and often have.

Now you want to feel some real recoil shoot a 3 or 3 1/2 inch magnum turkey load in a light weight shotgun. A 91/30 is like shooting a air rifle comparred to that.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

You're just tougher than the average bear, I guess.

 

[jwxspoon]

Love the Mosins. That said, after 20-30 rounds down range the bolt is a real bear to open and close. Once it cools down again all is well though.

jw

 

[iamkris]

I have a 91/30 and anyone who thinks this particular model of a Mosin Nagant kicks badly must have spent a lifetime shooting nothing but 22's

The only correction I'd have to that is the only people who think these rifles kick badly is the generation of shooters who have grown up with the .223/5.56

 

[slzy]

as originally conceived,with overcoats accuterments[sp] etc,plus someone intent on killing you,recoil negligible,comrade.

 

[grilledcheese]

Da.




Jeffrey

 

[SGW42]

I'm built like a beanpole, nearly all of my experience with rifles is with a .22LR, and I typically only have the chance to shoot from a bench at ranges down here.

So needless to say, when I casually shouldered my 91/30 (my first centerfire) for the first time like I would my .22 and let a round go, I nearly cried. But I sucked it up and got 70 rounds off that day.

Recently I got a Past strap on shoulder pad. Makes shooting it a real pleasure.

 

[jackdanson]

I thought it was bad until I shot a light weight .300 winmag, ack! Still it is a little brisk, not punishing, fun brisk.

 

[Avenger]

i had that stock pulled in nice and hard to my shoulder pocket

Proper technique does the trick every time. Plus, the 91/30s longer barrel length seems to spread out the recoil somewhat, it's the same amount of force, just not delivered as sharply. Using a sling also helps, getting a hasty-sling wrap helps stabilize you and the weapon. The Mosin sling isn't an M1907, but it can be used if you can figure out how.

 

[Vaarok]

The Nagant's a pretty underwhelming, though admirably cheap, revolver.

The Mosin is the best thing for shooting in terms of price short of a .22 and anyone who doesn't love them is obviously maladjusted.

 

[mio]

could be something as simple as fit. mine kicks the hell out of me compared to a rem 700 mountain rifle in 30-06. the 06 has a much longer stock an fits comfortably the mosin has a short stock thats very awkward for me. i plan on buying an aftermarket stock soon as i can.

 

[grilledcheese]

The old-style pachmayr rubber slip-on recoil pads are outstanding on a Mosin. A medium fits great, works great, and adds about an inch in length. And they're cheap---ten bucks at most places.




Jeffrey

 

[5ptdeerhunter]

My M44 was my first rifle and I remember thinking it was a lot of recoil. But my friends Turk felt more painful. And I have added a Steyr M95, and that rifle has the most recoil out of my collection. But I must be in the minority because I feel less recoil from a bench then I do standing. I just feel more comfortable when I can absorb the recoil. When I stand my shoulder seems to give more and I end up hurting, and sometimes I get bruised. But from a bench I have no problems.

 

[Avenger29]

The Mosin, for me, isn't bad at all. A slip on recoil pad, or a shoulder pad will make it much better. I shoot a beautiful, accurate, and problem free 91/30. And that's shooting new production 180 grn FMJ.

My .30-30 Marlin actually feels worse. Of course, it doesn't have a recoil pad to speak of, either.