Amd-65 help!!!

[Colton White]

Ok help me out guys.

I just picked up a Hungarian FEG AMD-65 7.62x39 AK i think correct me if im wrong lol. It was a gun show buy and i paid $599 for it i think it is new at least thats what i was told and i didnt see any wear at all and it was very clean.
my first question is was that a good buy?

Second. Naturally like any true shooter i took it home striped it down and oiled and clean her up then took it outside to shoot. i shot it 40 times and i had 6 fail to fire!!!! I was shooting monarch 123gr ammo FMJ. what the hell ak guys help me out i am no stranger to guns but this is my first ak. And i feel like a cow looking at a new gate. here is a picture of the weapon.

 

[Sam1911]

Hi Colton,

First off, all the AK variants like your AMD are "kit guns" that were once military rifles built by one of a variety of (usually) eastern European countries. The AMDs were built by Hungary. When the owners decided to replace or surplus out these rifles, they found a ready buyer in importers who wanted to sell these guns to all us American gun nuts. But, as these were almost all "machine guns" (or Assault Rifles, if you prefer), they could not be imported. So the receivers (and now barrels as well) of those guns were cut up into unusable bits and then the pile of remaining parts was imported as a "parts kit," ostensibly for "repair" and spare parts of existing rifles already in the US.

A large number of American companies then built brand new semi-auto only receivers for these guns and assembled the old parts kits onto the new receivers. By swapping out a certain number of the original parts for "US-made" ones (complying with a rule known as "922r") these are now considered to be "American made" new guns, and can be sold in configurations very similar in appearance to the original Assault Rifles that were cut up for import.

In the case of the AMDs, they also had to add a long flash hider and permanently weld it on to make the barrel longer than 16" so the guns aren't "Short Barreled Rifles" as defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

Simple, eh? So, while your gun may be "brand new" in the eyes of the BATFE and the receiver may never have had a round cycled through it, chances are that a bunch of the other parts are not brand new at all. This can be a very good thing, as generally these parts came from a functioning rifle. The receiver of an AK has relatively little to do with the safety of firing the rounds, and the basic design of an AK makes it pretty forgiving of misalignments. (This has gotten more complicated now that barrels from the parts kits can no longer be imported, meaning newly assembled guns have to have new barrels installed and head-spaced correctly, which was largely not a problem back when the original barrels were being reused.)

However, there are a number of things that could be "off" and causing your failures. Can you explain exactly what happens when your rifle jams? Could need a simple adjustment. Describe it and we can probably tell you what to do.

-Sam

 

[anthony-white]

Failure to fire....check the bolt and make sure the firing pin moves freely. could be a few different things to cause it but make sure there's no cosmo in there gunked up.

 

[Badger Arms]

Excessive headspace?

 

[wally]

"Fail to fire" could be a jam, but it could also be dud rounds or crud in the firing pin channel causing light strikes. The AK firing pin floats free and should "rattle" if you shake the bolt fore and aft.

Also could be from the gun not going fully into battery -- this is a feature not a bug, but does mean something isn't right.

A photo of the failure is the best way to get real help.

--wally.

 

[Sam1911]

Excessive headspace?

Yeah, Badger, that's what I was thinking when I mentioned the new barrels issue. I'd assume this AMD build is new enough not to have retained the original barrel. (Though, I guess, they'd not have to weld on a longer flash hider in that case -- just make the barrel itself 16" and be good to go.) [EDIT: Looking at the picture, it doesn't look to me like the lengthened flash hider on an original barrel -- more like a new, longer barrel. But the picture isn't quite good enough to be sure.]

If it is a new barrel and it was set too far forward when the pin hole was drilled, the rounds may be not held tightly enough against the bolt face for the firing pin to strike the primer with sufficient force. Which is only ONE of the problems excessive headspace can cause...!

If that is the case, the dealer and manufacturer need to make it right. The owner should not have to waste his time/effort/money to correct a headspace problem. (Though it certainly is far from impossible to fix.)

-Sam

 

[femoralis]

Is this the gun you bought?:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Hungarian_FEG_AMD-65_7.62x39_Rifle.html

It comes with an American made magazine branded "promag." Unfortunately, these are inferior to military surplus magazines. If the gun isn't loading rounds into the chamber properly, I would replace the magazine with a real milsurp mag, maybe a hungarian 20 rounder.

Unfortunately, the gun may need some USA compliance parts found in the magazine (2 of them). If you use milsurp magazines, you could put in USA made floorplates and followers to keep the gun compliant.

What kind of malfunctions are actually getting?

 

[Colton White]

My AMD

thanks for the help guys let me try to be more specific.

the gun will cycle the next round into the chamber properly but the internal hammer does not get cocked back therefore no click noise just a loose trigger. i am looking to u ak guys cause i just dont see how it can load a round and not slide back far enough to cock the hammer. this is driving me mad :banghead: so il be checking this for responses and be happy to answer any questions that might help. thanks alot.

 

[Sam1911]

First things first, take off the top cover and remove the carrier and bolt. Look into the receiver and locate the hammer spring (mainspring) which wraps behind the hammer, goes around the axis pin on both sides and has two "legs" that run backwards and have a little hook at each end. The two hooks face towards each other. Make sure that both hooks are ON TOP of the ears of the trigger. Sometimes one of those leg's hooks get bumped off of it's trigger ear and it will slip down beside or even under the trigger. If both legs of the spring aren't sitting up on the trigger, get a hook or needle-nose pliers and move the end of the spring up to where it should be.

Dislodged or improperly re-assembled mainsprings can cause inconsistant functioning.

If that spring is properly installed, re-install the bolt, carrier, and recoil spring assembly and try cycling the gun by hand. You may be able to see when or how the hammer isn't catching the trigger & disconnector.

-Sam

 

[Colton White]

My AMD

You might be on to something sam

i checked the trigger spring and the hooks are both over the top and down the same direction but it looks loose around the hammer base like a little hungarian woman with brittle fingers put it in there. how tight is it sposta be?

thanks for the help

 

[Sam1911]

It's loose where it runs behind the hammer? That doesn't sound too weird. The spring makes a pair of loose coils around the axis pin on one side, loops up and behind the hammer, and then makes a mirror-image pair of loops around the axis pin on the other side, before heading back to the trigger. The whole arrangement is not very tight or precise...or rather, it is only as tight and precise as it has to be.

The only thing that can be screwed up in the arrangement (within reason) is the position of the tails of that spring on the trigger.

Oh well... on to other possibilities...

Have you checked the gas port to make sure enough pressure is being vented up against the piston? Not obstructed or anything?

How does the bolt "feel" as you work it by hand? Any serious hang-ups or bumps along the way? You'll feel the hammer get cammed down as you bring it back, but otherwise it should be a pretty smooth ride.

-Sam

 

[Colton White]

My AMD

well the spring looks ok just loose and foreign looking lol

the slide is perty smooth. but this is my first ak so i dont have alot to compare to. iv taken this thing down and i dont see any foreign matter or obstruction in the gun. mabey the mags? i was using the mag that it came with i think its a 20 round pro mag and a brand new 30 round tapco mag? i had the problem with both so i dont think so but i dont know

 

[spyder1969]

I know these posts are old but I have recently purchased a Hungarian AMD-65. First off the trigger would not reset. The gun smith needed to polish down the side of the hammer ears. Was a very tight fit. Not exactly sure how to explain this in gun smithing jargon. Worked fine after that. Well almost, at the range the rifle would shoot 4 feet off target. Yes 4 feet. I adjusted the rear sight/front sight no luck. I thought what the hell am I doing!!! Well, I looked at the muzzle break and there was a nick on the top. The muzzle break must not be properly aligned with the barrel. Weapon went back to TGI. We will see what happens now. I really like the weapon and I am hoping for a perfect return!

 

[bigbob76]

I've built a few AKs from parts kits and use Tapco hammer, trigger and disconnectors that come in a package marked G2 and cost about $30. These parts are better than some I've seen in the AKs I see that are assembled by factories here in the states. I agree though that the manufacturer should make it right. Since you bought it at a gunshow that might not be an option though.