American made Mosin-Nagants!

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In the July American Rifleman there is a very interesting article about American made Mosin-Nagants. Seems that Remington and New England Westinghouse Co. both made these rifles for the Russians in WW1. After the Bolshevik Revolution both companies were stuck with several of these guns and our government bought them. These actually saw some combat by Americans in the North Russian Campaign (I never heard of it either!) Anyway, I thought this whole article was very interesting, as I never dreamed that there were any American made Mosins.
 
Yep, the American made Mosin Nagants almost bankrupted New England Westinghouse. The US Gov't bought the lot that the newly formed USSR didn't want. Here are some pictures of my 93 year old 1915 New England Westinghouse Mosin Nagant, that had a interesting stint in Finland.

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Of course, as I'm American and pronounce things in my dialect, I say Moh-zin. Since the Russians would pronounce my name differently, I think its fair.

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"MOH-zin" is roughly correct.
I was just using phonetic spelling (like in dictionaries and such), which uses "Z"s very rarely.
In addition, since he's Russian, you can bet it's pronounced with a long "ee", rather than an "eh" sound, because they rarely have "eh"s. I have a really good Russian accent for Theater, so I'm kinda brushed up on this stuff.
 
The US Gov't bought the lot that the newly formed USSR didn't want.

That and the US Government blocked the sale of them to the Bolsheviks after the revolution.

They have the nonclemature of the M1916 in the US military, but most were sold off along time ago on the surplus market.
 
FWIW all NEW Mosins are stamped 1915. I think they were made through 1918 and the only differences over time is the logo (straight and curved).
 
american made & modified
bannermans bought a ton of them back in the 20's & converted them to 30-06. they are considered unsafe to shoot because the chamber had to be shortened approx. 3/4" for the 30-06 reamer to clean up & that put the end of the chamber out to far into the barrel.
the rifles were modified by soldering a bushing into the boldhead to reduce it down to fit a -06 size casehead, slightly deepening the ejector notch to work with the -06 case, making new ejectors & extractors, & the magazines were modified by flattening out the reinforcing ribs. the barrels were also shortened & new sights were installed.
most of them were done on remingtons, mine is on a new england westinghouse receiver.
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I briefly owned, before selling it back to the friend I bought it from, a Remington 1917 Mosin that was commercially sporterized by Remington. It was one that never left the country, no reimport marks or anything. It was still in 7.62x54 though.
 
I almost bought an American made 1891 that had been delivered to Russia, used, and reimported (the Soviets ground off the imperial crest). I didn't buy it, because the rear sight had been bent at somepoint in its history.
 
I recently saw one that was in mint condition. Very interesting piece of history.
I'd have bought that sucker!
One of the things I always hated about the Nagants is their shoddy workmanship. They shoot well, but they are so elegant when they're not made by a Russian.
Heresy, I know, but it's true. The Finns don't have that same old-school feel. They kinda just look like any other wartime boltie.
The original Mosin-Nagant is a bridge between the rifles of the 1870s and the rifles of the 1900s. And they are gorgeous, when done on a non-wartime budget.
Which is why the American Mosins are possibly the most beautiful rifles to me.
The Eastern European Mosins (I wanna say Yugos, but don't hold me to that) that were rechambered in 8mm Mauser also have that feel. Not as much as the American ones, but still in a very undistilled amount, despite being carbines.

I want your rifle, Nugilum. I want it bad.
 
In Dennis Gordon's excellent book, "Quartered in Hell-The Story of the American North Russian Expeditionary Force 1918-1919", he makes mention of the fact that prior to sailing to Russia, the British Expeditionary Command took away all U.S. arms, ammuntion, and equipment. They replaced the U.S. made Enfield rifles with the U.S. made Mosin-Nangant, citing the obvious concern that resupply once in Russia would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, during the winter months. Having the ammunition fully compatible with the same weapons as used by the Bolsheviks made perfect sense; unfortunately most American soldiers did not care for the rifle itself. Many felt the rifle was unreliable, prone to jammimg, and suffered from frequent breakage. There were also many complaints as to the overall inacuracy of the Mosin-Nagants. And too, there was also criticism voiced over the fact that the bayonet was virtully worthless for any other use and that it did not even come with a scabbard. Refitting also affected the higher ranks, as most officers and NCOs had to turn in their U.S. issued sidearms for the British made Webley Mk. VI revolvers.
 
I think the Mosin is wonderful. It's not a target rifle, and they might not have been able to handle it correctly. Shooting it is like wrestling a bear. Which the Russians frequently do.
I like the gun. It's a good rifle.
 
Have you seen the Tikka M91s? Very old school.
Touche, Cosmoline, touche. I indeed have seen them before. But of course I was thinking of the M39.
How much to M91s cost? A big buck, I bet. Though I'd guess less than an original American Mosin.
 
I found this one at the gunshow in Fayetteville, NC last weekend.

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Anyone know what that 'VY' looking marking is? I couldn't find it in Lapin's book or on the web.
 
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