An American, in Japan, on gun control

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The main cultural difference between Japan and the US is conformity. Conformity is beat into their heads from the time they are children. They are taught that they are nothing without the collective (family, social group, state, etc.). Any meaningful form of individualism is punished harshly by a combination of social pressure and punishment. It all works to control the population; gun control is just part of it. Japan is the very definition of a police state.

It is illustrative to see how that police state and collectivist government stamped out the tiger that was the Japan of the 80s. If they could have gotten away from it they would still be an economic force to be reckoned with - to both our benefits. Economic success is not a zero sum game.

Gun control seems to work well in Japan, but only on the surface. The idea that Japan is a peaceful paradise is a myth. Somewhat along the lines of the myth about Europe being a prosperous, crime-free, utopia. Collectivism, in all of its variations, simply doesn’t work. It breeds crime, hatred, and racism. Keeping that in check simply requires a more efficient and brutal police state. The success of that police state doesn’t change the nature or effects of the underlying system, or its desirability.

I think “collectivist psychosis†is the proper term to describe Japan’s system (and quite a few others, ours too at times), insulting though it may be. Please note I didn’t say, and neither did the person I am quoting, “collective psychosisâ€. It’s about the system and not the people. People are pretty much the same everywhere. The more people I meet and the more places I go only confirm that. Just like in America, the people you see spouting off in the media almost never speak for the majority of the people. How rare is it to see a newspaper editorial you actually agree with? News clip on the nightly news?

Based on my conversations with some Japanese college students at the local gun range (apparently it is high on the list of places to go while in America) the Japanese would be very disappointed if America became more like Japan. Although, three kids at a gun range is hardly a scientific sample. They found it hard to believe that there were people in this country that thought America should be more like Japan when it came to guns. So do I. I just wish it weren’t true.
 
Those that point to Japan as a successful model of gun control need to look at sword culture in that country...
 
Mr Clark your analysis is seriosly flawed, but since this is a gun bOard, Ill just leave it at that and move on to something more interesting.

WilddomoarigatoAlaska
 
Mr Clark your analysis is seriosly flawed, but since this is a gun bOard, Ill just leave it at that and move on to something more interesting.

I appreciate your wanting to keep this on the gun topic. I don't think I said anything too off the wall. Just what I know based on my expereince, reading and conversations. Keep in mind I did say the three kids I met was not a scientific sample.

I would like to know how you think my analysis (too generous a word, it's just my take on the subject) is flawed. Please PM me if you would rather keep it off the board becuase it is off topic. Although, with the Japanese government's involvement with the UN on the small arms issue, it could be on-topic too soon.

That is a serious request. Not an invitaion to a flame war. It is a topic that interests me; that is why I posted. If I got something wrong, I'd like to know. I'd rather not walk around thinking I know something I don't.

If you are really not interested in it at all, please ignore my request.

Regards
 
History Is An Ongoing Thing

And the Japanees People should remember they got the residents of NanKing China to give up their arms for safety. were they safe I Think not the Japaneese as history goes have exibited the mentality of victims resigned to there fate, or agressors who want there victims disarmed and killed, Nanking wasnt that long ago 65 or 70 years ago i dont think a country who before that who would willingly bear their necks for the local Shogun represents a fair comparison to any other "Civilized " country.
Guy L Johnson
 
I know little about modern Japan other than what my nephew has told me. He was stationed there for maybe 8 years and has a Japanese wife.

I do know that their laws and punishment are far above anything we have here. We were talking about speeding and getting a ticket. He says "no one speeds in Japan...no one"

If you're caught going something like 5 mph over, you get beat with a cane of shredded green bamboo with saltwater thrown on you if you pass out from the pain :what:

(not that I can't think of some people here that could use the same "treatment" )

IIRC, if you're convicted of a violent crime, you're beheaded within a few days. If you're caught with a gun, I believe it's life in prison. I suspect there are few criminals there with the 8 page rap sheet like we have here
 
Cause and effect. Sounds to me like the anti's would really like to attribute Japan's low crime rate to its strict gun control. But if Redneck's post is accurate, it sounds like the low crime rate is due to "strong crime control".

I wish we had more of that in the USA.

8-page rap sheets, indeed.
 
Sorry, Redneck, but I think your nephew got his facts wrong and/or jerked your chain. Last I heard, the death penalty was administered at the end of a rope in Japan, unless they've gone PC and use lethal injection now.

I believe the Aum Shinryko (sp?) cultists who used sarin in the Tokyo subway were supposed to be hanged. I haven't followed it closely since it occurred, but I believe the cult leader was just condemned to death within the past few months, so there should be good articles with some specifics out there.

I also believe Japan frowns on corporal punishment for prisoners (but not schoolchildren, as many are beaten to death by teachers each year, unless things have changed quite recently), hence the mind games and isolation that I've read about. I don't believe that they flog speeders, but I'm sure they do fine heavily and take away licenses.

Account of speeding and punishment in Japan by long-time Western resident:

http://www.debito.org/speeding.html


Japan's Death penalty:

http://www.japanfile.com/culture_and_society/social_issues/death_penalty.shtml


http://www.tahr.org.tw/death/japan.htm
 
redneck, that sounds more like singapore than japan, but even there, I believe hanging is the order of the day. But they do like to do it a lot.
 
Anybody from a nation that murdered 19 to 36 millions Chinese, often for fun, before and during WWII, has no business telling people of another nation what to do. And, the Chinese were not the only ones to see bad side of people of Nippon.

Close to 60% of American and Allied POWs died in the hands during WWII. In Nazi Germany, only about 3% died.
 
Anybody from a nation that murdered 19 to 36 millions Chinese, often for fun, before and during WWII, has no business telling people of another nation what to do. And, the Chinese were not the only ones to see bad side of people of Nippon.

Close to 60% of American and Allied POWs died in the hands during WWII. In Nazi Germany, only about 3% died.
Yeah, and the Japanese also did Nazi-style scientific experiments on POWs. This was not widely reported due to some sort of deal that was worked out with Japanese leadership.
 
didn't remember the exact method, but pretty sure that punishment is swift, sure, and severe

as to the caning, yeah, that's on the money

my nephew's a Master Sargent in the Air Force (hope the rank is correct, he's E-7) He doesn't jerk anybody's chain
 
Anybody from a nation that murdered 19 to 36 millions Chinese, often for fun, before and during WWII, has no business telling people of another nation what to do. And, the Chinese were not the only ones to see bad side of people of Nippon.

I'm not sure I have a point, but I have a reaction. I'm Chinese (both parents); my father hated the Japanese. Wouldn't let a junior high school friend in the house on his looks (it wasn't hard to tell the difference then, before the influx of Vietnamese, Koreans, etc. That's not to slam immigration or anything--but in the 50's and early 60's there were two main nationalities in the local Asian populace--Chinese and Japanese). He used to say, if China or Korea get the Bomb, and the world goes to war, Japan will be gone in the blink of an eye. I'm from a different generation than my father--I believe there is no atrocity in war. Today, war is war, a practice of genocide by any means available or possible. All it is is an act of encouraged (mob) violence disciplined to a structured goal. There will always be instances of complete rational breakdown fomenting "atrocity"--Nanking, My Lai, Hanoi Hilton, Auschwitz, Manzanar-- there always have been breakdowns, and usually, the victor writes history in his best light. This nation has a dismissive attitude about its' sins as "history" most of the time, and by the passage of time, such a point is moot anyway. This land is no longer influenced by the Native Americans. Genocide? Were we the first to practice it in the age of firearms (in fun and competition)? Do we owe compensation to Native-Americans? African-Americans? Japanese-Americans? How about my family for the uncles lost building the railroad? I say 'no', those it directly effected are the only ones deserving of compensation. The article in question and this thread are a push-pull between groups in two countries and cultures completely contrary in almost every way. There's no point to argue; I suppose if I have a point, that'd be it--the reference points are too skewed.

Ironically, I've never seen better examples of a lack of crime, etiquette, honesty, and conduct anywhere in the world as I have in Japan. That said, they (as do the Chinese) certainly have a contempt for Koreans.

As an aside, the Tokugawa Shogunate never announced nor enforced an official edict on gun control; certainly it was concerned about a martial uprising utilizing firearms, but most samurai despised firearms anyway, and there was a national purge of firearms that was encouraged by the majority of the samurai class. Japan went from the most prolific nation of firearms in the late 1500's to a country with almost no gunsmiths in the early 1600's (and no firearms) until Perry's landing in 1853. At that point, most Japanese politicians understood or felt the need for firearms production as a means of national recovery to a status of world power. Obviously, it's a 'way more complicated subject than that, but that's a one-paragraph version on the subject of Japan and the origins (and demise) of their gun control in the 1500's.

Lastly, to Nanking. Why, so many years after the fact, do Americans proclaim outrage about Nanking? China was at war with Japan for almost a decade before America saw fit to join in the fight; the war between 'Celestials' was of no importance to America or England until they were dragged in by Germany and Japan. Roosevelt and the American populace could give a sh*t what happened in China for all that time. So why the American outrage at Japan for Nanking now? Where was American outrage in 1931-1938? No flame, just mentioning the hypocrisy.
 
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Question: If every knife in Japan was magically converted into a gun overnight, would there be a rash of shootings in the morning? Why or why not?

Also, Taiwan is another island nation with zero legal gun ownership outside the government. How or why did their President get shot in an assasination attempt last week?
 
Lastly, to Nanking. Why, so many years after the fact, do Americans proclaim outrage about Nanking? China was at war with Japan for almost a decade before America saw fit to join in the fight; the war between 'Celestials' was of no importance to America or England until they were dragged in by Germany and Japan. Roosevelt and the American populace could give a sh*t what happened in China for all that time. So why the American outrage at Japan for Nanking now? Where was American outrage in 1931-1938? No flame, just mentioning the hypocrisy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like a lot of Japanese don't have any sense that anything wrong was done by their soldiers in Nanking, and are more outraged at the US bombing campaign during the war. I think that other nations have been more forthright about condemning their own criminals and war atrocities. I don't think many in the US would honor the memory of Lt. William Calley of the My Lai massacre, nor does the average German glorify the atrocities of Hilter. What did the Japanese do to repudiate the war crimes of their soldiers after the war, let alone today?

Being part of their own history, I would think that Japanese kids should know more about Nanking and be more likely to be outraged than the average American. I also think the world has plenty of hypocrisy to go around, on all sides.
 
Straighten me out on this if I have it wrong, but one of the reasons that Japan attacked the US was because of Japan's aggression in China and the resulting American embargos against Japan of oil and other natural resources.

Japan's back was against the wall. It was projected in 1941 that Japan's large navy only had enough oil reserves for one year of normal operations. So, the decision by the Japanese high command was invade Indo-China where the necessary resources were in abundance. The French and the Dutch could not really offer any resistance to the Japanese and protect their Indo-China colonies because their homlands were under Nazi occupation.

This meant, of course, that the United States and Great Britain had to be attacked and forced out of East Asia area and the western Pacific ocean.

So, part of the Western world was doing something in support of the Chinese.
 
DWKennedy,

I understand your point, but I don't see how "awareness" would change anything. In a sense, I'd also disagree that the notion of 'not honoring' a war criminal is the same as condemning them. Kent State laid no responsibility on anyone except the dead; Calley was out after the briefest of stints, and he alone was held responsible, at least, publicly. Germans may not honor those military leaders, but pacts were made to keep Porsche and M-Benz in the money despite their alliances with the Reich, and the "guilty" are nameless and faceless besides.

In any case, I doubt whether anyone would have accepted a Japanese apology at any time after the close of WWII as anything more than an acquiescence to American military might. I see repudiation as a reckoning adjudged by the righteous; the Japanese military culture was unlike any except possibly the Roman Army as far as I can grasp. No quarter was given nor ever expected, and that conduct levied on foreigners brought an incomprehensible contempt from the world's players that the Japanese still cannot fathom. Their military leaders never understood western warfare conventions, and that difference in conduct will forever be the part of the cultural barrier between Japan and the West.

Also, I'd argue a second point--American outrage now at Japanese conduct during war is moot. It won't influence how history is taught in Japan any more than Chinese and Korean diplomatic protests will.

I don't see why Americans dredge up Nanking; it typifies their sense of outrage over the complete experience of war with Japan. Why should American outrage change foreign conduct? We see the old adage, "British will makes the world England" as insufferably arrogant, yet their are so many guilty of it.

MOA,

I agree with your perception of the 'contributory' factors immediately leading to Pearl Harbor. On the other hand, I, as an American, see that as the American-history version of the start of the war. When talking to my peers (by age) who are Japanese natives, they are at a loss to point to the beginning of "WWII" as we would define 'a beginning of war' (they understand we see the beginning of war as Pearl Harbor, but it only makes *some* sense to them. I should say, that the elder Japanese military saw Pearl as a continuation of war, and that that's a mighty strange perception, from my American standing, though I understand it from the Japanese cultural perspective. My Japanese peers fathers (and to a lesser extent, mothers) saw the embargo as a power struggle and the beginning of a 'separate' war with the US over natural resources, not as an ally with China. Even my father and I agree on this point, and see it the same way. We never saw America's Pacific War as a conscious decision to help Asia (however Asia's described); we saw the Pacific war as an American war with the Japanese over resources (rubber and oil), and an American campaign for retribution for the 'sneak attack, with Filipinos, Chinese, Indians, Koreans et. al., as the "casualties of war". My father enlisted and landed at Normandy, but he didn't see America as an ally in the East--at least, to him, the idea of America come to the aid of the Asian world and Pacific Islanders was a crock--the Islanders held a precious commodity--the possibility for airbases and naval docks. That the ripple effect of an American victory affected that entire half of the world for these 50+ years is an unintended consequence; I don't think anyone in my family ever saw America's war as a ally come to the aid of Asia.
 
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I'm an infantry soldier with the 101st Airborne Division recently returned from Iraq, right now on leave (I haven't taken a vacation in three years and basically got told by everyone to get lost for 30 days) ... my uncle loves this forum and gave me a hardcopy of this thread to read. Some of the responses put out had me so puzzled I felt compelled to reply.

I was born in Japan, and spent much of my life there. Most of my father's side of the family is still there. Having moved stateside, at times over the years I've heard from the American side of the fence how Japan is a "peaceful society" because there are "no guns" and have listened to the Japanophiles and peaceniks gush over how "America would be so much better off if it were like Japan." It makes my teeth crack thinking about it.

Japan is, and always will be, first and foremost a martial society. On every level of its society is an emphasis on austerity and self-sacrifice that few other nations can match. From the education system that divides its kids into "red" and "white" teams that battle each other on the schoolgrounds, to the dynamic between honor and shame that guides the behavior of every individual within the society at ever level, Japan emphasizes collectivism for one purpose: Achievement. Mate that to an absolute reverence for tradition and the willingness to abase oneself completely for the collective, and you have what most outsiders would consider to be mass psychosis. Japanese officers used to kill themselves for falling out in road marches. Japanese schoolkids still kill themselves for failing to get into the top universities. Failure - especially the public sort - is irredeemable in Japanese eyes, and thus the status quo of "law and order" is maintained because Japanese are far more likely to internalize their aggression (i.e. suicide) than to engage in external acts of violence that shame their families.

When the warlord Toyotomi Hideyoshi started the "Great Sword Hunt" in 1588 and took away firearms and edged weapons, he did it to the general populace and the private militias of the religious sects, but not the samurai. He moved the warriors into the towns away from the countryside, and razed vast numbers of fortresses. He did this because for decades, the Japanese warrior clans were blasting each other into oblivion. Guns weren't even in the country until brought in from overseas in 1542. Within a few short years, there were more matchlocks in Japan than in all of Europe combined, and the Japanese had introduced refinements both to the weapons themselves and to tactics, using volley fire long before Europe.

In the space of a few short years, the warrior clans were being bled dry. Battles like Nagashino in 1575, where the Takeda Clan lost 10,000 of its irreplaceable finest warriors, were becoming too commonplace. Japanese martial tradition and brutally efficient firearms use were keeping the warriors engaged in battle too long, and the result was massacre. Hideyoshi saw that Japan could not survive more civil war, and that is why he did what he did. The caste system and the separation of the castes was strengthened to keep the peasantry from being drafted en masse as "ashigaru" (lit. "light-foots") by the warrior clans so that the farming communities would not collapse from decimation, something Hideyoshi as the son of a peasant understood keenly.

The fabled Japanese "politeness" is something born out of both the court ettiquete of Kyoto (my birthplace) and the society that developed after the first unification of Japan in 1590. With so much death and destruction in a nation that has always had maddening population density, the development of strict norms of behavior was the only way that people could ensure a way to make sense of a world where death could come at any time. Kyoto and the Imperial Court, being the epitome of Japanese culture, then became a model for interpersonal relations that has endured to this day (like the bows and the soft language). The fabled "kirisute-gomen" (lit. "License to Cut Down") that samurai had was strictly regulated. Drawing your sword made you accountable to the local authorities, and a warrior who could not justify why he killed a productive farmer who belonged to the regional lord was dealt with extreme prejudice (especially when the warrior in question couldn't make restitution, or worse, tried to run).

Japan had historical conditions which necessitated the removal of firearms from the entire populace - not just the peasantry, but the samurai as well. The population density, the martial traditions, the complete submergence of the individual to the "cause" and the sheer refusal to quit and admit to failure, ensure that violence in that nation will always be one step away from apocalypse. This is why the social controls are so strong and the "police state" model is dominant there. The Japanese police are entirely different from the American model. First of all, after 1868, the samurai were stripped of the right to bear their swords in public, vast numbers of the warriors became, in a word, cops - because pre-1945 that was the only way that they could bear swords in public. The police also lived in the neighborhoods they policed - and as such, became local burghers that everyone went to for assistance and adjucation of disputes (which they were doing anyways). Cops in Japan traditionally rely on social pressure to get things done, not on force. Legion are the cases of parents bringing in errant children (even adult children) guilty of a crime to the local police. When the Japanese police do use force and apprehend, criminals are essentially given a choice: Repent for the disgrace caused to society, or "face the consequences." Refusal to admit to wrongdoing means that you are essentially disavowing your ties from your family, and by extension, the entire society. This means conviction rates remain astronomically high, regardless of guilt or innocence, and prisoners in the Japanese prison system who display insufficient "remorse" are essentially nonhuman and treated as such. Remember, tradition is paramount in Japanese society, and the pillar of that society is respect. Displaying lack of respect is the highest insult imaginable and in the old days meant parents would literally murder their kids if they talked back, so as to remove the shame from the family.

Of course, now in the new "modern" Japan, "individualism" (really just mindless egotism and hedonism in disguise) rules, so tradition goes into the burn pit. Not that I've EVER heard of anyone being whipped with a bamboo cane with saltwater on the rear end (sounds like Singapore to me) ... or beheading (sounds like China in the old days) ... or life in prison (which, because of how jacked up Japanese laws are after the American Occupation got through with them, is almost impossible to get).

As for the Second World War and racism commentary ... I'm not full-blooded Japanese. Even worse, I pass for it (unlike my mother, who gets spotted right away) unless they look very closely at my mannerisms. So having gone through what that means in the "old" Japan, what I have to say on the Second World War is ...

One should remember that the Japanese military after 1868 was mostly run by those of peasant origin ... this was especially true of the Imperial Army, which tended to attract recruits of a lower caliber than the Imperial Navy (which, after Japan's spectacular victory over the Russian Fleet at Tsushima in 1905 became THE service to go into for the gentry) ... the Japanese Imperial Army was instrumental in propagating the racist ideology of various nutjobs and warping both the Shinto religion and the Bushido code to serve their egotistical needs. A convergence of the worst sort imaginable came to place, where a bunch of lunatics trying to "one-up" their social status ran the military into a series of atrocities and a confrontation with the United States. Japanese society before the Second World War had virtually no real contact with the mores and values of other nations. So, they projected their own - and thus they considered surrendering troops as scum, and civilians who were subjugated as just the same. The Fascists in power, mindful of their own lowborn origins, intriduced their "racial purity" notions that made everyone equal before the Emperor - bringing the old warrior aristocracy to heel, but also ensuring that the violence done to other nations would be unconscionable.

The hilarious thing is, of course, when the United States defeated Japan, the old rules on assimilation of state-by-state that worked in Japan's Warring States Period that limited destruction of the countryside kicked in - making Japan, in effect, a completely willing vassal state. In a nutshell, this meant the Japanese people considered themselves the property of the American people - which is why Gen. MacArthur was greeted as a new Shogun by miles and miles of silent, bowing Japanese lining the road in when he landed at Tachikawa Airbase and drove to the center of Tokyo. Which is why the Japanese completely, eagerly, and wholeheartedly changed their society within a decade to adopt absolutely everything American, from food to dress to culture. Which is why the Japanese haven't ever come to terms with what they did in the Second World War - because Gen. MacArthur excused them from it during the Tokyo Trials. Hard questions like that got lost in the shuffle to put as many anticommunists back into power (read: Fascists) in the Japanese government as quickly as possible.

The sad thing of course, is that the Japanese mindset works against them in this. The Japanese as a norm do NOT hold grudges. The society is so geared to eliminating contention that an apology once made is considered final. The one chance for bringing the Japanese to terms with Bataan, Nanjing, and all the atrocities by the chemical warfare unit Unit 731, was the Tokyo Trials. And that was it. Once the traitors who led the Imperial Government died in execution, as far as the society was really concerned that was the end of everything to do with the war. Hence, you don't hear Japanese society say much about Marines collecting Japanese skulls as trophies, the incineration of civilian masses in Tokyo by B-29 raids, or Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Which is why bring up atrocities from that era to your average Japanese, with or without copious documentation, usually results in a blank stare. They agree war is hell, they got nuked twice, they've dismantled their military, and they live as an American vassal state, so what more could the world want?

Really though, to bring this post back to topic, I think the Japanese are below the surface, the same people they've been for centuries. The hedonists have always been there in the margins; the single-minded aggression that typifies the Japanese approach to problem-solving is as always, still there. Giving these people guns is a real bad idea. They're not Americans; their traditions work against them. You'd see a lot of suicides, and I can just see the motorcycle gangs switching from edged weapons to semiautomatics clipping people all over the place. They wouldn't know how to stop or care unless the police stepped in real, real hard ... and the end result is a police state so much more totalitarian than what the arming of the citizenry was meant to prevent. RKBA isn't going to work in Japan, but that doesn't mean it's a paradise or a shining example, regardless of what the idiotic anti-RKBA crowd says. Japanese-style disarming and control of the citizenry would never work in the States. They just play with a very different set of cards in Japan.

Anyways, that's all I think I have to say on Japan and gun control there ... thank you for reading this overly long tract ... and I hope you're glad that you live in the good ol' USA (or what's left of it ... I think the good things vanish more year by year) ... have a good one. Peace out.
 
Hapafish, quite an informative post. I for one think you ought to present it for publication.

edit - Also I'd love to hear how you came to the States - success stories are always a pleasure to read, especially coming from someone making such a sacrifice for their second country.
 
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Wildalaska, I'd very much appreciate if you could put aside the personally feeling part when reading these opinions and share even a bit of your angle into this, for our information, as you obviously are at the source, so to speak.

I have a good friend who's on a year's stint at a Japanese research institute and I have to say that they're experiencing a good part of what's described here :confused: . My buddy is a very open-minded fellow and our correspondence has me wondering, how can all this be?

To just glue this on topic, as an aside, I do somewhat appreciate the insight of the original writer saying "You are a slave to a system in which you feel you need to carry a gun for self-protection." This only as an observation from my experience of the Scandinavian or Nordic way of life, not as a judgment on anything else.
 
Hapafish, that was one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum. Thanks, and I hope you can stick around for a little while.

Rick
 
Hapafish (What, exactly IS a hapafish?) again, welcome to THR. That was a delightful read, full of insight. As a Marine stationed both at Atsugi and Iwakuni, I greatly enjoyed mingling with locals; didn't really encounter any overt racism, but never felt especially welcomed either.

And thanks, Soldier for serving the USA. Glad you're home safe.

TC
TFL Survivor
 
Stand_Watie ... my mother's from Hawaii. Making the choice to serve the American public (no matter how many idiots lurk amongst them) wasn't such a hard choice. I was in before 9/11; every time I need to be reminded how petty the concerns of life are, I think of that day or of the 442nd RCT. Thank you for the compliment.

igor, Yowza, thank you for the greetings.

Leatherneck, thank you for the greeting. The name "hapafish" came to me in a nap ... means "half fish" (hapa being Hawaiian for "half"). Don't ask me why I dreamt it up, I really couldn't tell you.

I know the Atsugi area pretty well; plenty of friends live there (you remember the Nippi aircraft maintenance facility besides it? Still have friends who work there) ... the lukewarm welcome really comes from the fact that the Japanese still don't know how to think of Americans, to this day, living amongst them. All very nice when Britney Spears comes to Tokyo but when they have to deal with a real American? Perish the thought. Politeness and the social stigma against showing public displays of emotion keeps them in the game, but fear of the unknown keeps them unwilling participants.

Oh it's all ok to say things Japanese like traditional dress and architecture are behind the times and embrace everything American, but dealing with people? The Japanese don't know how to do it.

Which is why RKBA doesn't work there; that would require political maturity and a willingness to embrace real issues in one's society instead of ostriching. Right now the Japanese don't have either; they abdicated responsibility for themselves ("Oh we don't do anything without the Americans saying so") and don't really know how to define the role of the individual (the word itself in Japan is written as "separated person") ... to the Japanese it means a license to be egotistical little vermin for the most part. Give them freedom, and the males go on sex junkets to Southeast Asia, the women on shopping trips to Paris. Maddening. :barf:

RKBA requires a culture that has as its core the emancipated, responsible, empowered individual. Since the Japanese never had Greco-Roman concepts of citizenry or Western notions of citizen's rights until 1945, they kind of skipped out on all that necessary sociopolitical development. and since taking responsibility for one's own actions has decreased in the postwar years markedly ("We're free, right? That means we're not accountable, right?") they wouldn't know what to do with guns. Lots of suicides, and motorcycle gangs blasting each other and the public to hell, that would be it. The way Japanese society run right now, it can't support an armed citizenry.

Methinks that it is good to be in the US of A ... even if the good things vanish more day by day. Oh and the anti-RKBA moron who wrote the tract that started this whole thread? The one who yearns for a Shangri-La in which no one is armed, and everyone indulges in group hugs and shares pots of chai latte in idyllic bliss? He's a moron. But hey, I think the High Road people knew that all along already.

Anyways do take care, peace out.
 
I stopped reading midway at the post reminding us that the europeans came to america and killed the natives.

I am mexican american... Personally i am glad that the europeans came and put the Aztecs out of business... i wonder how many other native americans they sacrificed to some demonic spirit that they worshiped.

I think many people forget that the native americans were pretty cruel to each other before the white folks got here.
 
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