An interesting perspective on Giuliani

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Is Giuliani a conservative?
By Mona Charen

Last week C-SPAN featured a discussion about Rudolph Giuliani that left me shaking my head. The gist of the guest's message was that Giuliani was a "Rockefeller Republican" who was suddenly transformed into a darling of conservatives after 9/11. Today, Fox News echoed the same theme.

That's quite wrong. Social conservatives have trouble with Giuliani, but by no stretch of the imagination is he a Rockefeller (i.e. liberal) Republican. In fact, in many ways Giuliani is the most conservative of the top three candidates for the Republican nomination. He came by that conservatism in the toughest crucible.

City Journal's Steven Malanga reminds us of the details. When Giuliani was elected mayor, New York City was Exhibit A in failed liberal governance. Crime was out of control. Public spaces were marred by a combination of omnipresent graffiti; so-called "squeegee men" who preyed on motorists; and raving homeless people who took up residence on sidewalks and in building entrances. Public employee unions had shaken down the city government for years. The tax base was eroding. The city government was deeply in debt, and fully one in eight New Yorkers was on welfare.

Giuliani transformed a city whose budget and workforce were larger than those of all but five or six states. He and police chief William Bratton famously cracked down first on quality of life crimes like panhandling and public urination. Teenagers who leaped over the turnstiles at subway entrances were arrested — a departure from the practice under Mayor David Dinkins. Giuliani later quipped that the police under his predecessor had become "highly skilled observers of crime." Those turnstile jumpers turned out to possess a huge number of illegal guns, which were confiscated, and criminals throughout the city discovered that the New York police were breathing down their necks. The number of murders dropped from 1,960 in Dinkins's final year in office to 640 in Giuliani's last year. The overall crime rate dropped 64 percent, to levels not seen since the 1960s.

Giuliani accomplished this in the teeth of a genuinely ferocious assault from liberals, so-called "civil rights" figures like Al Sharpton (with whom Giuliani declined to meet), the New York Civil Liberties Union and the New York Times. Actors and artists protested in the streets, and leading chin pullers in national magazines pronounced themselves troubled by Giuliani's "tactics." He was steadfast — and the greatest beneficiaries were poor New Yorkers who lived in formerly dangerous neighborhoods.

Though he inherited a budget deficit, Giuliani declined to raise taxes on New Yorkers nearly bled white. He closed the budget gap with a combination of spending reductions (what a concept!) and modest tax cuts. Business boomed.

Giuliani attacked another sacred cow when he ended "open admissions" and remedial courses at the City University of New York. He was called lots of names by the usual suspects for this principled move. The result was to revive the university — SAT scores of incoming students rose 168 points.

New York's welfare system was among the most bloated in the nation. Giuliani first culled the ranks for cheats and frauds — eliminating 20 percent of the caseload. The mayor then introduced a workfare requirement — able-bodied adults would be expected to do 20 hours of work in municipal offices in exchange for a welfare check. There were howls from the New York Times. The mayor was undeterred. Giuliani transformed welfare offices from check distribution centers into employment offices, where welfare workers coached clients on how to read the classifieds, how to dress for interviews and how to prepare a resume.

His approach toward the homeless was similar. Those who were able to work were encouraged to do so. Those who rejected an offer of shelter and insisted upon blocking public spaces and harassing passersby were issued summonses. For this Hillary Clinton lectured the mayor that Jesus was a homeless person.

There is no question that Giuliani's position on abortion and gun control will offend many Republicans. But let's be clear, he is no liberal. His conservatism has been tempered in New York City — so it is steely indeed.

I don't think his practices would work well at the national level, and, because of his stance on gun rights, I could never vote for him.
 
I don't want his style of policing nationwide either. Sure, he reduced crime, but his officers became the thugs instead of the traditonal thugs. I suppose they are easier to spot that way at least.

If he wasn't an anti-gunner type, he would likely get my vote for the next American president. Regardless, if it boils down to only him and Hillary, well, I'm not voting for Hillary. Like usual, it rarely, if ever, boils down to two good candidates, just two overly wealthy people who want even more power. Why else would someone spend hundreds of times the income they will generate in said position as President if it were not simply for the power.
 
Who knows if Rudy will get the nomination, but ....

I was one of the idiots who helped create the real problem we have, Hillary. I voted for Perot, Bush 1 lost and we had 8 years of Bill and now Hillary.

So, let's say it comes down to Hillary / Obama and Rudy / ?. If you say you can't vote for Rudy because of his position on guns (I don't like it either) or social issues, all you are doing is helping to elect Hillary.

If we cross our arms because of a single issue and don't vote, we lose even more, simple as that.

Ken C
 
Last I checked, the candidates will be picked in the voting booth and not in the press.

It is early yet, and the only ones getting media attention are the media darlings. Ronald Reagan proves that someone who is loathed by the media can be elected.
 
This is what really sux about him

Is that I could vote for him. I saw first hand the job that he did in NYC...

But I will never vote for anyone who is anti 2A
 
Giuliani is just another statist parasite.

Frankly, I'm tired of reading about the cockroach. He's the RINO the national leftist extremist so-called "news" media hopes will be the non-Mrs. Snopes Clinton candidate.
 
Giuliani: The Authoritarian

As has been said before, Guiliani's approach would not work well in the nation overall. This country is alot more diverse than just NYC (which is saying alot because NYC is extremely diverse), but there are alot of differences in how things are done in the South and in the Western states that Guiliani cannot understand. I don't say that because he is from New York. I say that because of his record and his stands on a multiplicity of issues.

The Dems will have an extremely tough time getting a Northeastern Dem into the Presidency. The Republican leadership would be unable to move Guiliani there either. And if it was Hillary vs. Giuliani, the "subway series" people from the South and West just wouldn't show up.

He may not be a "liberal" per se, in terms of the socialist policies of the Northeastern US, but that doesn't make him Conservative. What Giuliani is can be summed up in one simple word: Authoritarian.
 
Agreed: Guiliani is a paternalist authoritarian.

Prong 2 of my 3 prong plan for America calls for the suppression of the dark, creepy authoritarians of the GOP, and Rudy is pretty much Exhibit A of the species. Supporting him is completely a step in the wrong direction.


For those of you who missed it, the 3 prong plan:

1) Electorally eviscerate the collective left's political champion, the DNC, until such time as they are disinfested, and return to the fold as a recognizably Lockean party. (I evaluate collectivoLeftism as the greatest long term threat to the republic.)

2) Suppress the dark, creepy authoritarians of the GOP. (The second order threat)

3) Salvage from 3rd party land whatever is of value. (Because the Libertarians couldn't politic their way out of a paper bag)
 
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