an Ohio recount??!!??!!

[Malone LaVeigh]

I'm guilty of going along with the hijack of this thread. Flatrock started it. You could look it up.

Therefore I won't say any more about the 2000 election in this thread. But you might want to check this out:

http://evote-mass.org/speakers/ash/What Happened in Florida 2000.ppt

Now, about 2004, the chickens are begining to come home to roost:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm

I also find it interesting that both of the people here accusing me of being from DU (a site I've only visited once from a link here) have been here for a shorter time than I have. So take your politically correct attitudes back to freep if you don't like the discussion here, kids.

 

[Jim March]

HOLD IT!

Diebold is in Ohio.

Not the touchscreens, true, but optical scan, hell yes. Which still uses GEMS. Which sucks. Download the proof if you don't believe me:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=111724

Worse, the same failed Federal oversight process that passed certification on Diebold also certified the rest of the electronic voting systems.



That said, I'm more worried about Florida than I am Ohio. If there's hacking serious to overturn the race, and I have no idea whether or not that's the case, it'll be found in Florida first I suspect.

 

[hubel458]

We have same card scanners here. But we still have cards and any hint
of hacking( and it can come from both sides), they just recount, and
see if you can find and hang hackers by the balls.Ed.

 

[flatrock]

Jim,

HOLD IT!

Diebold is in Ohio.

Not the touchscreens, true, but optical scan, hell yes. Which still uses GEMS. Which sucks. Download the proof if you don't believe me:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=111724

Worse, the same failed Federal oversight process that passed certification on Diebold also certified the rest of the electronic voting systems.

I wasn't aware of that. I did a number of web searches on Diebold and Ohio, to make sure that the touchscreens didn't get reapproved at the last moment, but I didn't see anything relating to the optical scan machines.

I don't think a recount will change anything, but the poor security on GEMS does appear to justify an investigation.

 

[flatrock]

Malone LaVeigh,

Is sounds like there are some elections officials in Volusia County that have some explaining to do.

If there is found to be fraud, then they should prosecute those involved to the fullest extent of the law, and then go after them in civil court for the costs of the mess they've created.

As for your power point file from 2000. It mentions some accusations which we investigated throughly and couldn't be substantiated.

It doesn't mention how there were a considerable number of people who voted both in New York and in Florida that year strangely enough...

As for voting machines with chads left over from previous years... I've voted with punch card ballots for many years. If I was having trouble pushing the pin through the card because the bin was full of chads I'd say something to the elections officials, and I'd look at the card as well.

No one did that during the election there. Do you really think that hundreds if not thousands of people had trouble voting, but no one said something was wrong until Gore's legal team was searching for possible ways to find more votes days later?

Even when the the newspaper that recounted after the election was over tried to determine votes based on pregnant chads, Gore still lost.

The elections debacle of 2000 did show people that elections officials need to do a better job of maintaining the equipment and making sure the ballots are laid out well.

However, there's no real eivdince that Gore lost the election because of those problems.

In the end, the elections laws were followed, and the election results were properly recorded according to the law.

I'm all for making our elections as accurate as possible and for stomping out voter fraud.

I just don't see that there's evidence that the overall results of either of the last two presidential elections were effected by either.

 

[2nd Amendment]

Malone LaVeigh
You people are so brainwashed by the dominant conservative media that you're almost not worth talking to.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, I needed a good laugh today. Since nobody could possibly believe that it's good to know you have a great sense of humor...

 

[secamp32]

re why there appear to be more votes than registered voters

I don't know about Ohio, but in NY people that were not registered to vote could still vote via an affidavit ballot. I saw lots of affidavit voters this year. Most years there are none. That could account for why there are more votes than registered voters.

 

[hubel458]

Affidavit voters, provisonal voters,etc, just a bunch of crap.
As citizen you have responsibility to vote, and get registered where you live
to be a voter,With registration available when you get your drivers
license, there is no excuse. People can get absentee if away. This idea
of just walking in anywhere and voting is the way we get fraud.
proper registration procedures make sure aliens don't vote and that
people only vote once.As I said before the machine checking and recount will only help GOP.Ed.

 

[fallingblock]

I agree that a recount will likely add to Bush's total vote count.

And that if there is a serious question in Ohio, a recount ought to be done.

Go easy on Malone - he's just having a bad eight year election cycle.

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"I know the gangsters in the WH wouldn't have let it happen."
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See? Malone can't even remember the Clintons
(the last 'gangsters' to inhabit the place)
are out of the WH.

Or perhaps HE's been brainwashed by the dominant liberal media in the U.S. ?