Zeke Menuar
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Hello All
This is a thorny topic for me. Here goes.
About 2 1/2 years ago I inhertied my Grandfathers M99-R. It's a pretty nice rifle in spite of being dragged over every stump in the Tillamook Burn. When I got the gun, it was in bad shape. My idiot alcoholic Uncle had possesion of it. Not a good thing. It had been stored muzzle up in a wooden gun cabinet for 30 years. Surface rust had set in. The action was difficult to work. I spent a few weeks polishing off surface rust with JB's bore paste, Slicking up the action, fixing the trigger. There was at least 50 years of copper racing stripes in the bore. I did a lot of this work at my Grandfathers house so he could feel like he was involved. Got the gun up and running. Shoots pretty good too.
My Grandfather is 86 years old. He lives by himself, my Grandmother passed away two years ago. Grandpa is in pretty good heatlh. He walks the dog and stays pretty active hanging out with his friends. He lives in a huge 55 and older subdivision.
About six months or so ago he asked me to give the gun back. I was leery but I gave it back to him. I figured he wanted to have it around as a memento of the good old days. Then he wanted ammo. When asked why he said he wanted the ammo so he could use the Savage( our family name for the rifle). I said that I didn't have anymore factory ammo and that reloads shouldn't be used for self-defense.
About a year ago I watched him try to work the rifle. Not only had he forgotten how the gun worked. He didn't have the hand strength and coordination to work the action. I doubt he has the manual dexterity to even load the Savage.
All my training tells me that an 86 year old man has no business using a hi-powered hunting rifle for self-defense. He is not strong enough nor quick enough to make any use of that gun in a SHTF situation. If he even got off a shot most likely the bullet would overpenatrate into the next house. Grandpa has no formal self-defense training of anykind. My guess is that the BG would wind up taking the gun away from him and ...well.. you know the rest. I should add that the gun is stored in the typical old guy fashion, stashed in the back of the bedroom closet.
Security in the Estates is very good, He has a dog that barks alot, an alarm system, and the best security system I know of. Nosy old people that stay home all of the time and watch each other. Any strange cars on his street and all the old folks are on the phone to each other making sure everything is OK.
In the last two weeks two separate events make me think it's time to remove the Savage from his house.
The first was when I went to show him my latest Mosin. We talked a bit and I asked him how the Savage was doing? He replied,
"what Savage".
"You know Grandpa your old hunting rifle".
"I don't have a rifle here."
I proceeded to show it to him.
"Oh that rifle. When did I get that. Did you bring it over?"
I then explained how he got the Savage back.
A similar incident happened on Sunday when I took over a silicone cloth and my cleaning gear to give the Savage its six month check-up.
It needs to be said that his short term memory is really bad. He doesn't remember an event 5 minutes after it happened. I am really afraid that someone could swipe that gun and he might not know about it for weeks. Or worse a BG could take it from him and well........we won't go there.
What should I do?
Comments?
Thanks
ZM
This is a thorny topic for me. Here goes.
About 2 1/2 years ago I inhertied my Grandfathers M99-R. It's a pretty nice rifle in spite of being dragged over every stump in the Tillamook Burn. When I got the gun, it was in bad shape. My idiot alcoholic Uncle had possesion of it. Not a good thing. It had been stored muzzle up in a wooden gun cabinet for 30 years. Surface rust had set in. The action was difficult to work. I spent a few weeks polishing off surface rust with JB's bore paste, Slicking up the action, fixing the trigger. There was at least 50 years of copper racing stripes in the bore. I did a lot of this work at my Grandfathers house so he could feel like he was involved. Got the gun up and running. Shoots pretty good too.
My Grandfather is 86 years old. He lives by himself, my Grandmother passed away two years ago. Grandpa is in pretty good heatlh. He walks the dog and stays pretty active hanging out with his friends. He lives in a huge 55 and older subdivision.
About six months or so ago he asked me to give the gun back. I was leery but I gave it back to him. I figured he wanted to have it around as a memento of the good old days. Then he wanted ammo. When asked why he said he wanted the ammo so he could use the Savage( our family name for the rifle). I said that I didn't have anymore factory ammo and that reloads shouldn't be used for self-defense.
About a year ago I watched him try to work the rifle. Not only had he forgotten how the gun worked. He didn't have the hand strength and coordination to work the action. I doubt he has the manual dexterity to even load the Savage.
All my training tells me that an 86 year old man has no business using a hi-powered hunting rifle for self-defense. He is not strong enough nor quick enough to make any use of that gun in a SHTF situation. If he even got off a shot most likely the bullet would overpenatrate into the next house. Grandpa has no formal self-defense training of anykind. My guess is that the BG would wind up taking the gun away from him and ...well.. you know the rest. I should add that the gun is stored in the typical old guy fashion, stashed in the back of the bedroom closet.
Security in the Estates is very good, He has a dog that barks alot, an alarm system, and the best security system I know of. Nosy old people that stay home all of the time and watch each other. Any strange cars on his street and all the old folks are on the phone to each other making sure everything is OK.
In the last two weeks two separate events make me think it's time to remove the Savage from his house.
The first was when I went to show him my latest Mosin. We talked a bit and I asked him how the Savage was doing? He replied,
"what Savage".
"You know Grandpa your old hunting rifle".
"I don't have a rifle here."
I proceeded to show it to him.
"Oh that rifle. When did I get that. Did you bring it over?"
I then explained how he got the Savage back.
A similar incident happened on Sunday when I took over a silicone cloth and my cleaning gear to give the Savage its six month check-up.
It needs to be said that his short term memory is really bad. He doesn't remember an event 5 minutes after it happened. I am really afraid that someone could swipe that gun and he might not know about it for weeks. Or worse a BG could take it from him and well........we won't go there.
What should I do?
Comments?
Thanks
ZM