An Unusual Handgun Question.

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Remmi

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Figures my first post made on this fourm would be a strange one; but I'm at a wall and need advice from people far more experienced in mutions then I am. It's semi-long introduction to prove I'm not crazy, so if your bored, just skip to the bolded text for the actual question.

I'm something of a Writer and Illistrator in my spare time; I'm in college to try to get a degree to be a Conceptual Artist for a Film or Computer Gaming corperation, so obviously this has me dealing with Style Vs. Practicality in design of characters and various devices; I try to live by the rule 'Keep it Simple.'

Well I've been building my portfolio lately, and I've started in on some designs for a Survival Horror themed character; some of the yougner members will probably recognize this for the Resident Evil games, and the older members will undoubtadly recall images from Dawn of the Dead.

Well the character is supposed to be a Small-Arms expert, specifically preferring High-Caliber handguns. Now the setting has it where he's supposed to be 'used' to dealign with all manner of critters bigger and tougher then the average human.

Now, because of my influences over the years, in a modern-set theme, I'm a nitpicking stickler for realistic accuracy of Firearms and equipment either cited or used in the design or writing; and I hate to make up fictional weapons especailly to fill a need in the story.

Now My base of knowladge on high-caliber handguns is mostly limited to Revolvers, and I'm looking for an Automatic, so after a long-winded introduction; here's the question.

What sort of Automatic and Revolver would you reccomend for taking down creatures that'd fall fairly easily into the catagory of 'Big Game'; but are still plausably functional in actual CQC situations?

I'm at a loss for what to put in the character's hands here; it has to be something that won't really 'stick out' and is easily supplied with ammuntion from any old backwater gunshop.

I appriciate anyone who's managed to read this entire thing without dismissing me as a loon.
 
and is easily supplied with ammuntion from any old backwater gunshop

Well. that eliminates all of the exotics, and you are pretty much stuck with .44 magnum.
even my favorite, the 10mm, won't be found at just "any old backwater gunshop" but you can find it at sportsmans warehouse and cabellas and bigger shops like that. If you can go that far, I suggest a glock 20 or EAA hunter in 10mm. or you could give him a bren ten with a knowing wink at 80's TV.
link to eaa hunter: http://www.eaacorp.com/handguns-hunting-pistols-hunter-description.html


since your guy is "supposed to be a Small-Arms expert" I'd suggest that he maybe is using .45-super in something like an HK Mark23. you can still find .45ACP and use in the same gun if you don't have .45-super on-hand.




p.s check this for a good cartoon gun: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=226884
 
For an auto I'd say 10 MM. Powerful AND kinda exotic, outsideof the gun culture anyway.

Revolvers .41 Mag .44 Mag, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .480 Ruger, .460 S&W,.500 S&W
 
Well. that eliminates all of the exotics, and you are pretty much stuck with .44 magnum. even my favorite, the 10mm, won't be found at "any old backwater gunshop"

Hmmm. I'm mostly looking for something easily found in an automatic cart that gives good penetration and Muzzle Energy, preferably MV higher then 1200 FPS.

Something that'd put a person on their ass, and make something... bigger, think twice. I'd conisdered .45 ACP but my epxereinces with it were only with Original Manufactuer rounds which topped out at a sort of sluggish 900FPS.
 
Wow. Didn't see that bit about back water gunshops.

Still though if your guy i knowledgeable just make it that he reloads his own stuff. That way you get to add more depth to the character. And if you wanted to you make that part of the game. Let the player choose the what kind of load the character takes on the mission.
 
For an auto I'd say 10 MM. Powerful AND kinda exotic, outsideof the gun culture anyway.

10mm? Gah, metrics always mess me up a bit in conversions... let's see, 13mm is a .50 Cal... so where does that put a 10mm again? An amatur question I know, but as I stated, I'm more of a Revolver sort of person, so I'm a bit limited.

Revolvers .41 Mag .44 Mag, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .480 Ruger, .460 S&W,.500 S&W

I want to rule out the .500 S&W because... well that's sort of beyond the 'Inconspicuous' vibe; the Model 500 is a bloody cannon; as much as I love it... there is a such thing as too damn big.

What's the typical Cost/Effectiveness interplay between the .454 and the .480 Ruger when it comes to feeding it consistently?


Ahaha. No thanks, I like to keep the 'Cheese' level of my work to a minimum.
 
What you're looking for simply doesn't exist. There is no big game hunting class auto cartridge that is also common and found everywhere. Basically all that's common in autoloaders are 9mm, .40 S&W, and the .45acp. .357SIG, I guess, but stretching it on the "common" part.

Just give him a coonan.
It's easier to just adjust the gun to the character. If you're set on an auto that has those properties, I think you've got to have him equiped with an auto gun that fires revolver cartridges which are powerful and easily found. A coonan is about 1911 sized, looks like a typical run of the mill gun to the people outside it's fan base, and fires .357 mag, which is common and can be found at any gunshop.

For a revolver that fits that category, pretty much anything .357 mag and up will work.
 
Ah, Doesn't SIG make a moder of the P-series that uses 10mm, or was that .357 Sig I'm thinking of?

So far I'm leaning towards the .454 Casull, as that could be easily used by a Tarus Raging Bull; which is iconic enough it wouldn't stick out unless it was stuck in your face, but the automatic is still questionable.
 
10 MM is a .40 caliber bullet in a longer case with more powder behind it. It will do everything you want for your story except be easy to find. Still though every place I've been to that sells ammo carries 10 MM.

I don't have either a .454. or .480 gun but I have noticed that .454 ammo is more available. At least at the places I've been. Both will put down any normal creature you will find on the North American continent.
 
Greetings Remmi, welcome to THR. I'm sure you'll get plenty of responses, and I hope you enjoy the forum and hang out with us for a while.

To get right at the heart of your question, a couple of pistols come to mind. In an auto the Desert Eagles in 44 Mag or 357 Mag meet the critter thumper with ammo that almost any gun store will have criteria. The problems with a DE are that it's so Hollywood cliche, and it's a big honkin pistol that does stand out. Therefor, I think the best option is the little known Coonan. The Coonan was a 1911 based design (it looks slightly different, but very much like a 1911) chambered for 357 magnum, and produced in very small numbers. Again, 357 Magnum, it'll handle some big animals - frequently used for pistol hunting wild hogs in the Southeast US - and just about any gun store will have ammo. A like chambered wheel gun would compliment it well. Hope that helps you.

If you want some good fictional reading check out this THR thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=2529324#post2529324
 
I have to admit I'm really appreicative that I asn't laughed out about this question, so thanks a lot for all the good, informitive responses.

I actually know of the Coonan, it's a favorate of mine in the various catagories of the 'Automag' sorts. I always thought of it like a less-cheesy Deagle; but I was under the impression they were exeedingly rare and hard to come by - is this not the case?

And yes, it's really the Style Vs. Practicality I'm after; I'd be happier with a slightly lower-power round if he could mroe reasonable afford to put several slugs into something after his brains, as opposed to a more powerful round, which would ask for needlessly painstaking ammuntion conservation just because it was hard to find.

The .45 Super is another good idea, I imagine any load of .45 would be fairly easy to come by, it's the iconic ACP round afterall.
 
.45 super is almost impossible to come by in a gun store. It can't be fired in just any normal .45acp gun. I only know of three small outfits that make .45 super cartridges. Most people who have it buy their own brass and reload it.
 
I'm most intruiged by the Coonan to be honest; what's the typical availability of a decent-condition model you'd wager?

Being based on the 1911 frame would have all sorts of bonuses for add-ons as well, it probably wouldn't be too hard to get a custom-built Picatinny rail-mount for it, for a Tac-Light or Green LED sight.
 
Yes, the Coonan is a bit tough to come by, but they do pop up for sale on sites like gunbroker and gunsamerica every now and then. I was thinking from your description that the guy knows his stuff so he doesn't care if the gun is rare. He's already got it, and a common small spares kit with things like springs, pins, etc. I guess I was focusing more on ammo availability post societal meltdown with a gun, albeit rare, that he already owns.

The other suggestions of 45 ACP with 45 Super conversion, or making the charecter a handloader are also good. The classic 357 Mag or 44 Mag revolver coupled with speed loaders in trained hands is also a very quick firing, accurate, and formidable weapon.

If you really want some crazy ideas search THR for SHTF (abreviation for **** hit the fan). Every week or so it seems there is a SHTF rifle/shotgun/handgun discussion - truly entertaining posts in there at times.
 
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Yeah it does seem pretty good; I figure with a proper holster setup he could carry both a Big-Caliber revolver and a good automatic at any given time were concealment an issue (Which it's usually not if your trying to track down a deranged freak of nature.) And if it wasn't, he could probably carry another smaller or medium-framed automatic.

So I figure it's a decent enough literay 'Gimmie' to say he's come across a Coonan in decent condition, and what gunshop doesn't have Rimmed .357 in stock? Beyond that I'd imagine he'd keep around one of those .45 SUPER modded Forty-Fives for sheer practicality.

Now then, final end of it, what's good lately on the market of .44 Magnum and Up revolvers? Barring the Model 500; that's just too big a gun to practically carry long-term.
 
Ok, I'm replying again, because this is a fun thread on a Sat. night in the sandbox. :D
what's good lately on the market of .44 Magnum and Up revolvers?
Take a look at the Ruger Red Hawks, Super Red Hawk Alaskan, S&W 629 & 625, and their light bbl Mountain Gun versions (same model #s). The Taurus Raging Bull would be another one to look at.
 
The Ruger Super Alaskan is a snub nosed revolver that chambers .454 and will also fire .45 colt. It is beefy but not overly so.

If your guy got into a brawl and got knocked down with the viscious, deranged Rosie O'Donnel creature over him, and about to his to sink it's massive teeth into his neck a quick handling powerful snudby might just be the right cure for what ails him.
 
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