"and the bullet doesn't drop a bit

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I was in North Dakota last week helping my wife clean out her mothers house, she died in June and we needed to clean it out so it could be sold.

While we were there I was talking to my wifes ex brother in law about goose hunting, the early season was open. The BIL said he didn't have any shotguns but he had a couple of rifles that he uses on deer and elk. One is a .270 that has a special scope on it so it is super acurate.

The other is a ".343 that will kill a deer at a mile and the bullet doesn't drop at all."

I said "cool", and changed the subject. Turns out that in this case self control was the right response, the rifle owner turned out to be a big help in cleaning out the place.

Where do people come up with this stuff and do they really think we believe it?

DM
 
Well you could look at it that way. The bullet doesn't drop at all, the ground comes up and eventually hits it. :D
 
There are an estimated 300 million guns and 80 million gun owners in the US. 18 million of them are hunters....the vast majority of hunters (my experience only) don't know a hoot about guns. Of the remaining gun owners, I'd say only about 5-10% know much more than the specific guns they own. A very small slice are "gunnies" and have encyclopedic knowledge.

Just remember anytime you try to convince yourself that, in general, people are intelligent..."Celebrity Dance Competition" has millions of viewers each week...
 
You should of replied with something silly yourself like, "Yeah, it doesn't drop ... 'cause it's goin' like a hundred miles an hour."
 
Some people are just ignorant. If they are and say something unbelieveable, they may still believe it and expect you to believe because they don't know any better. My guess is that the guy probably worked in a gun store for many years.

As for not learning anything after high school, my guess is that he didn't learn anything after 3rd grade. As I recall, the concepts of gravity, the solar system, etc. were introduced at the school I attended decades ago. We learned that gravity applied to everything, especially on earth where we see the effects every day. Maybe the guy was talking about shooting deer in space where the pull of gravity from the either is reduced or negated? Is it only the Soviets that offer space deer hunts or have the French or some other entity offered this as well. No doubt NASA does NOT offer space deer hunts.
 
bad science

Sounds likes the brother in law watches too much Road Runner where the coyote defies gravity like his bullets.
 
At one point in my life I used to make the mistake of saying something to these kinds of people, but you can't teach them a thing. You could present them with the worlds greatest expert and they wouldn't believe them. Now I just shut my mouth and let them stay ignorant. School's been out for a long time and it's not my job to teach them anyway.

Just a few weeks ago I was at a party and some blonde bimbo was telling everyone that her magnetic bracelet cured a herniated disk in her lower back. I swear I had to put my hand over my mouth to aviod saying anything. It's one of those bracelets with the balls on the ends. She said "you have to go to bed with the balls down and when you wake up you turn the balls up". At that point I spit a mouthfull of beer across the room and fell down laughing. I was laughing so hard I couldn't tell her what an airhead she is.
 
Everytime I get ready to shoot off my mouth about how ignorant someone's particular statement is, I remind myself that I have said and will eventually say something that contradicts fact.

Personally, this happens when I repeat something someone else said without logically thinking about the statement. Hopefully, my own BS/moron filter will pick up on it and keep me from repeating hearsay.

Obviously you can find evidence of it virtually everywhere. Listen to the statements you hear liberals spout that are so far from logic that you laugh or cringe every time you hear it. :D
 
had a couple of rifles that he uses on deer and elk. One is a .270 that has a special scope on it so it is super acurate.
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Well, everyone knows the scope makes the gun. Heck, an SKS equipped with a Swarvoski will shoot 1/4 MOA! :rolleyes:
 
Wouldn't it be possible to load something (made of tungsten, probably) so unbelievably hot (as is amount of powder) that it wouldn't really so much drop as it would go into orbit?

Not talking about shooting something into space, per se... but what if one were to hot-load a .50 BMG and fire it while standing on the moon? If the trajectory of the bullet more/less matched the curve of the moon, wouldn't that essentially mean that it "doesn't drop?" :confused: Basically, well, orbiting about 4-5' above the moon's suface. MV would be insane, but could it be done?

/random half-awake rambling
 
One of the untold stories of the space program was the firing of a .50 BMG on the moon. Yep, went into orbit. Sad thing is that the shooter was struck in the back of the head, leading to NASA immediately making the information TOP SECRET. The knowledge that you can shoot away from your attacker behind you on the moon and hit him was thought to be very important in case the Russians were on the moon at the same time and sneaked up on our mission crew. :D
 
The other is a ".343 that will kill a deer at a mile and the bullet doesn't drop at all."
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It's flippin' sweet. It's pretty much the best rifle ever in history. </napoleon>
 
One of the untold stories of the space program was the firing of a .50 BMG on the moon. Yep, went into orbit. Sad thing is that the shooter was struck in the back of the head, leading to NASA immediately making the information TOP SECRET. The knowledge that you can shoot away from your attacker behind you on the moon and hit him was thought to be very important in case the Russians were on the moon at the same time and sneaked up on our mission crew.
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Funniest thing I have read in my life. (as of yet) :D
 
One of the untold stories of the space program was the firing of a .50 BMG on the moon.
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There's a sci-fi short story that addresses this very issue. I forget who wrote it but it's actually pretty cool.

Seems that both the Russians and the US colonized the moon and when they got there took to fighting. Some one fired a large caliber round that went into orbit about 5 or 6 feet off the ground. After that it was all the combined forces of the Russians and US' computing power on the moon could do to keep track of the darned bullet and it's ever changing orbit. So while the commies and imperialists were busy dukin' it out on Earth they were best buds on the moon.

The science of the story was essentially BS but it was still an interesting read. The twist was you didn't find out why the combatants were cooperating until the end of the story.

Anyone know the name of the story? I'll be darned if I can remember the title or even who wrote it.
 
The other is a ".343 that will kill a deer at a mile and the bullet doesn't drop at all.
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So what he left out of what he was saying was that he shoots the deer at 75 yards with this very special caliber, the deer takes off and runs the rest of a mile uphill, then the deer drops dead with the bullet now actually higher in elevation than when it left the muzzle because the deer had run uphill. I think that is a very workable conceptualization of what he must have had in mind.

Not so hard to understand that you would not try to argue his wealth of hunting and ballistics knowledge, especially when he was helping you with the chores. LOL
 
Yeah this one time

I read a gun magazine and the fellah said the polish on his freshly blued gun was so well done " a housefly landed on it,slid off and broke his neck!"
 
Wouldn't it be possible to load something (made of tungsten, probably) so unbelievably hot (as is amount of powder) that it wouldn't really so much drop as it would go into orbit?

Not talking about shooting something into space, per se... but what if one were to hot-load a .50 BMG and fire it while standing on the moon? If the trajectory of the bullet more/less matched the curve of the moon, wouldn't that essentially mean that it "doesn't drop?" Basically, well, orbiting about 4-5' above the moon's suface. MV would be insane, but could it be done?
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On the moon, you'd actually only need a velocity of about 5,505.25 feet per second to get a bullet to orbit at a height of about 5 feet, according to my calculations. Assuming the moon is a perfect sphere, total vacuum, yadda yadda.

If the earth were a perfect sphere and had no atmosphere, 25,912 fps would do it.
 
Where do people come up with this stuff and do they really think we believe it?
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The question isn't whether or not they think we'll believe it ... the question is whether or not they believe it.

Unfortunately, I suspect that in all too many cases the answer is "Yes."
 
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