Another China article to help you sleep better. Not.

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I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty curious why, the Chinese have embarked on all of their current, and large scale, military modernization programs. To the best of my knowledge, they don't really face any threats, except for maybe Tibet, and I'm not sure that even counts. In fairness, the U.S. is modernizing, too, but unless China is preparing for some kind of clash with us, I'd guess their resources could be better spent elsewhere. This article is just the latest in a long line of similar ones.
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China studies space war but urges ban on 'militarization' of space



Special to World Tribune.com
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM
Friday, October 17, 2003
China's military is exploring new space-based weapons, a senior Pentagon expert said.

Lt. Col. Mark Stokes, a key China specialist, told a conference that China's military plans to use space weapons in any conflict involving Taiwan.

Stokes said the Chinese military studied U.S. military operations in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, the NATO war in Yugoslavia and recent operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. They have learned how the U.S. military uses space, Stokes said.

China is covertly developing space weapons and military systems while publicly advocating a treaty to ban the "militarization" of space. The propaganda effort is aimed at limiting the capabilities of the United States, U.S. officials said.


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The Washington Times' Ring Column reported today that this week's first manned space launch by China also deployed a spy satellite.
"Space assets will play a major role in any future use of force against Taiwan and in preventing foreign intervention in a Taiwan scenario," Stokes said.

Space assets are "important force multipliers that can help to even the playing field when you go up against a technologically superior adversary," Stokes said.

He said the deployment of aircraft carrier battle groups near Taiwan in 1996, following Beijing's test firing of short-range missiles near the island, "removed any doubt in Beijing that the PLA would require the ability to deter or complicate U.S. intervention in a Taiwan Strait conflict."

China's military is developing space-based command and control systems, Stokes said. Its dual-use space and missile industry is "striving to achieve ballistic missile accuracies of less than 50 meters."

China has some 450 short-range missile targeted on Taiwan. "Beijing is making substantial advancements in its long-range precision strike capability based on an arsenal of increasingly accurate and lethal conventional and land-attack cruise missiles," he said.

China also is working on technical countermeasures aimed at defeating U.S. missile defense programs and is developing a new generation of solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles, he added.
 
Taiwan is a distraction.

What they want is *Siberia*. Why do y'all think they focus on a land army but don't have enough navy to fill a bathtub (by modern standards)?

Siberia has all the resources of Alaska, tripled.
 
China, being run by paranoid communists, feels threatned by everything and everyone.

They still have an unsettled conflict w/ India over Kashmir (as a result of a land grab in 1982). Four neighboring nations w/ nukes, and the US promising to fight in the event that China tries to take back Taiwan (which it won't).
 
Why do y'all think they focus on a land army but don't have enough navy to fill a bathtub (by modern standards)?

They don't need a major navy; they just need a navy capable of knocking out an American carrier battle group or two.

By the way, you all do know that the major advances in Chinese naval weaponry is the adoption of Soviet systems designed specifically for taking out battle groups, don't you? Systems such as supersonice sea skimmers for evading AEGIS. There are reports that the Kursk was lost doing a demonstration for Chinese military observers, and the Oscar II was designed specifically to overwhelm carrier defenses.

Siberia is the goal, and the Chinese navy will be there to block us for helping out Russia. Fun stuff in the future.
 
If the Chinese are convinced that we will fight to help Taiwan stay free, any attack on Taiwan would be preceded by a nuclear strike on us and possible manned invasion of certain parts of US. This would be easy enough to do with fishing boats or cargo ships outfitted with a missle.

If they don't think we'll fight, then they will attack Taiwan and threaten us with nuclear strike if we intervene. Either way, if Taiwan is to remain free we'd better be real serious about it, as in if we're going to help them, we need to be prepared to launch an all out nuclear strike right off the bat against China.
 
A very interesting thread.
I had never given any thought to the Siberia issue.
The FSU might be down at the heels but don't you believe they would still be a pretty nasty opponent if the Chinese step on their toes. I do.
An out-and-out land grab seems pretty hazardous, esp. if you consider the NSU would sell them all the oil they want, and the Chinese can afford it. They have pleny of US dollars.
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Until China figures out how to deal with American attack submarines they will never be able to mount anything more than an air raid or missile attack on Taiwan. In any event, our military budget still outstrips China's by a healthy margin. Another factor is that we are by far their biggest export market. This is the primary reason tensions over incidents like the "spy plane" collision a few years back are speedily and non-violently handled.
 
Another factor is that we are by far their biggest export market. This is the primary reason tensions over incidents like the "spy plane" collision a few years back are speedily and non-violently handled

So instigating a mid air collision either intentionally to acquire technology or negligently by aggressively harassing a trading partner's aircraft if non-violent.

Or perhaps having members of your military openly discuss the benefits of using terrorism to attack the United States is also non-violent and friendly?
 
I'm not worried. Tom Clancy already laid out the blueprint for defeating a Chinese invasion of Siberia. ;)
 
China is rightly preparing to defend itself against the United States Government's intervention in its regional squabbles.

deployment of aircraft carrier battle groups near Taiwan

MR
 
So instigating a mid air collision either intentionally to acquire technology or negligently by aggressively harassing a trading partner's aircraft if non-violent.

Or perhaps having members of your military openly discuss the benefits of using terrorism to attack the United States is also non-violent and friendly?

I am sure that the hotheaded ChiCom pilot who lost his life in the incident was directly ordered to hotdog his fighter into the surveillance plane to acquire a bunch of hacked up electronics and shredded intel materials.:rolleyes:

Fighter jocks are fighter jocks the world over, and ours had some "bumps" with Soviet Bears during the Cold War. We have also "bumped" submarines inside of one another's "territorial waters." These are not strictly analogous incidents in the sense that things were usually more on boil with the USSR in the past than with the ChiComs in recent years, but these incidents happen on the "fronts" of military encounters.

I am not arguing that the Chinese are benign, because they are not. However, they do not pose quite the military threat that some would make them out to be. Their power projection via air or naval power and even their theater air supremacy ability are particularly laughable. Again, they don't spend a fraction of the money that we do on either training or weapons systems, having always relied on expendable mass effect and threat of numbers as doctrine. They haven't the capability to be too far removed from relying on an attrition model that they probably couldn't sustain these days against a technologically superior foe.

No pinko here. I never said they were friendly, just not so foolish as to once again foment a crisis they are ill-prepared militarily and economically to see out to the end. As much as the Korean War stung us, it burned them far worse and that dynamic hasn't changed all that much in 50+ years.
 
So instigating a mid air collision either intentionally to acquire technology or negligently by aggressively harassing a trading partner's aircraft if non-violent.

If Chinese pilots are anything like Chinese drivers, it was an accident.
 
I am sure that the hotheaded ChiCom pilot who lost his life in the incident was directly ordered to hotdog his fighter into the surveillance plane to acquire a bunch of hacked up electronics and shredded intel materials.

I didn't put much credence in the idea that he was ordered to ram. More likely, after being ordered to harass the aircraft (which he certainly was given the number of times that it occurred and the Soviet command structure the Chinese air force flies under), he got frisky. But "hacked up electronics"? Nope. There was insufficient time to destroy the gear and the final report on the incident indicated that much of it was intact and was examined by the Chinese.

As for Siberia, it's one of the richest areas on the planet in terms of mineral resources. If the Russkies had been able to exploit it properly, their economy would have gotten a boost that would have kept them going for years.
 
The Chicoms are modernizing in order to acheive their stated goal - engaging and defeating the United States in military conflict within a few decades. Don't laugh at their current capabilities - watch the direction they are going.

The question is not WHAT they are doing, but why.


Peteypete was right on the money with his comment about communists and paranoia - it goes with their territory. Every commie gummit has been the same.

But there's another factor that is much larger than any mentioned so far - national pride. Are you snickering? You don't know much about the Chinese. It is completley unacceptable to them that they are not regarded as one of The Big Boys. They cannot stand the disrespect. I'm not discounting any of the other reasons that have been discussed here. But I AM saying that their PRIDE is reason enough - all by itself - for them to want to pick a fight with the U.S. and win. They are realistic enough to know they can't do it now, and proud and determined enough to plot a course that will get them there if it takes 30 years.

Don't laugh at them.
 
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