Another revolver you'll won't see in local gunshops

[BobG]

A solution in search of a problem.
Wouldn't it be easier to just go with a 38?
And what child's mind decided that a revolver needed a safety?

 

[KINGMAX]

A policeman can't lie

A policeman can't tell a lie, because all the others on the same force will lie right along w/ him to protect each other.

 

[Baphomet]

Ummm... no thank you.

 

[Cliff47]

If you look up the term 'Chinese carbon-copy' on wikipedia, you will find a picture of that particular pistol.

 

[EddieCoyle]

Wow- that is a crude looking piece of work.

I'm going to wait and see how the Performance Center version looks before I pass judgement.

 

[CDH]

My favorite quote from the description:

It must be noted that no official designation of this gun is known so far.

I think that means that it's some kind of Chinese "Special Ops" weapon designed for clandestine activities. The rubber bullets are a new secret attempt at "silenced" ammunition that doesn't make as much noise when it hits something.

Holy jeepers, I must be bored just sitting here killing time until it's time to go home for the day. :banghead:

Carter

 

[otomik]

It looks like they made the final production guns a bit better looking.
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90783/91300/6574787.html

The 9MM police revolvers are the first pistols that have been especially designed for the police in China.

Many of these people that are going to receive the gun were previously unarmed traffic cops, etc. there's something to be said about having police use different equipment. it's good to have more separation between civil and military authorities right down to the equipment they use but that's not a strong point of the CCP Gov't. a simple double action revolver with a manual safety seems like a great police weapon a few decades too late. I wonder if they would just be better off coping the design of a taser and mass producing it.

but pointing to a crowd with a revolver that could hold real or rubber bullets (do you feel lucky? well do ya punk?) would be more effective than trying to tase a bunch of people.

 

[Seamore2001]

"Interesting that they went for a proprietary cartridge other than something standard and pre-existing."

It's maybe not so surprising that they went with a proprietary cartridge. In the event the revolver is lost/stolen, it will be more difficult for others to find cartridges for it, since these are only police issue. On the other hand, since guns are illegal for civilians to own there, then it would be unlikely that those outside the police could get ammo anyway, proprietary or not....

 

[Oyeboten]

This sounds like a 9mm only in the sense of a .38 S&W Cartridge being 9mm.

It is apparently a Revolver chambered for a chinee copy of the .38 S&W Cartridge, and, judging by the images of the Cartridges it is a Rimmed Cartridge...

So...not a "9mm" in the same sense as a 9mm Luger Cartridge is.


I will guess that the Revolver will probably chamber and fire .38 S&W just fine.


It is sad to see how horrible so much of the industrializing 'world' is in their really tasteless crude emulations of other's Work.


I love the Chineese common-people, and would love to admire their country's accomplishments, if they had any accomlishments to admire at this point.


What a nightmare...

 

[LoneCoon]

I'm glad they cleaned up the production model some. Kinda rough there, ouch.

 

[Oyeboten]

Yeahhh...the Production Model is not nearly as horrid.


Well..this will make it easier for the Police to shoot dewy eyed Students and Old people who may wish to stand holding Hands in a Park as a passive protest against policies which authorize them being shot.

 

[BBroadside]

And why base it on the old 38 S&W round?

I don't think that's necessarily a bad idea.

With its rim, it's easier to use with star extractors than 9mm Parabellum (which is otherwise similar, dimensionally).

With its short overall length, it provides for shorter and lighter cylinders than .38 Special. (Which can be a disadvantage if it means your trigger finger gets powder burns!)

With traditional loadings, it is indeed underpowered, but AFAIK the reason traditional loadings have to be kept so anemic is to not blow up old guns. With modern metallurgy the PRC could conceivably make these things shoot ammo as powerful as 9mm Para. (At least that is my speculation based on what must be similar case capacity c.f. the 9mm Para.) So they could issue ordinary beat cops with something anemic and then have a hot alternative if they needed something better.

 

[Fishslayer]

Oh geez, great! Dump that photo before the powers that be in the PRK find a need to import here

ROFLMAO!! First thing I thought when I saw the manual safety!

I kinda like the case hardening, though...

 

[otomik]

I love the Chineese common-people, and would love to admire their country's accomplishments, if they had any accomlishments to admire at this point.

What a nightmare...

really now?!?!

they invented the printing press. unfortunately it did not have the same impact it did in europe because of the difficulty of literacy using Han characters with it's alphabet in the thousands.
http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/blockprint.htm

Well..this will make it easier for the Police to shoot dewy eyed Students and Old people who may wish to stand holding Hands in a Park as a passive protest against policies which authorize them being shot.

it's pretty clear that this is the first gun designed especially with police use in mind and that's a step in the right direction.

 

[joe_security]

I think I like the holster more than the revolver.

 

[conhntr]

so when is springfield going to slap some dumb acronym on it--RP REVOLVING PISTOL-- and put "US" marked grips on it and start selling it as the GI revolver?

 

[Oyeboten]

Otomic,


The 'Printing Press', Macaronii, Paper Money, whatever, were not inventions of contemporary communist red chinese...to whom my reference was directed.

I apologise for the Thread Drift...please pardon the slip up.

 

[CajunBass]

Well. It's not really "good looking" but it's not a Nagant.

 

[otomik]

so when is springfield going to slap some dumb acronym on it--RP REVOLVING PISTOL-- and put "US" marked grips on it and start selling it as the GI revolver?

I wish i could buy a Norinco 1911 in America.
this is stephen a. camp's photograph and that is a nice pistol. for nationalistic reasons the chinese have preferred to use their own designs.

The 'Printing Press', Macaronii, Paper Money, whatever, were not inventions of contemporary communist red chinese...to whom my reference was directed.

there's little doubt that a planned economy fails to encourage innovation and so many talented chinese people have fled to other countries.

this blog has a little chart that neatly shows nobel prizes given to chinese people. ALL have fled.
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/10/list_of_chinese_nobe.html

 

[Coatofplates]

I'm actually kinda excited about this. just think, in a few years I wont have to buy .38 SW at $21-$30 a box anymore, I'll be able to get a surplus spam can of 1000 rounds for just a few bucks.

 

[otomik]

just think, in a few years I wont have to buy .38 SW at $21-$30 a box anymore, I'll be able to get a surplus spam can of 1000 rounds for just a few bucks.

not unless you live in canada.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Pointing it at his own fingers?

Here is a perfect illustration of Cooper's Four Rules in action, and how you usually have to break at least two to have a AD/ND. He is in clear violation of Rule Three (and possibly Four), but Two saved him.

 

[conhntr]

I wish i could buy a Norinco 1911 in America.//

why would you want to support their infrastructure? if everyone did the same we could get all american arms makers to go out of business. then we, and the military, would beholden on foreign nations for our firearms.

 

[Gordon]

When I was in PRC I was constantly getting a lazer beam to the forehead by policemen! They were taking my temperature with a pistol type device. I was told if my temperature was over the threshold the device would buzz and I would be escorted to the nearest clinic for further screening. Also was scanned passing checkpoints in airports and trains. They take epidemics REAL seriously over there. I saw very few firearm equipped cops out side big cities.

 

[MCgunner]

Looks like something crafted in a back yard machine shop for black market sale in countries like Britain where real carry guns are outlawed.