Another SCOTUS dodge...

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Court Won't Hear Gun Industry's Appeal
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto.../ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_gun_lawsuits&printer=1
Mon Jan 10,10:20 AM ET

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court declined Monday to consider dismissing a lawsuit seeking to hold gun manufacturers responsible for the 1999 shooting of a letter carrier by a white supremacist.



Without comment, justices let stand a ruling of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) that reinstated a lawsuit against gun manufacturers and distributors. The companies' weapons were used by Buford Furrow to kill Filipino-American Joseph Ileto and wound five people at a Jewish day care center in a Los Angeles-area rampage.

The high court's move, which allows the lawsuit to proceed toward trial, is good news for gun-control groups who say increased liability will stop industry sales tactics that put weapons into the hands of criminals. Several cities nationwide have sought to sue gun manufacturers, but with little success.

Ileto's mother, Lillian, and families of the survivors contend that Georgia-based Glock Inc., China North Industries Corp., RSR Management Corp. and RSR Wholesale Guns Seattle Inc., should be held liable under California law because they knowingly facilitated and participated in an underground illegal gun market, according to the complaint.

A federal judge initially threw out the case, but a divided 9th Circuit panel reinstated the lawsuit in 2003. The panel said a since-repealed California statute immunizing gun manufacturers in product liability actions did not apply, because it did not address the plaintiffs' theories of negligent marketing and distribution.

The full 26-member 9th Circuit declined to rehear the case last May.

Christopher Renzulli, the attorney for Glock and the RSR companies, has said the gun Furrow used to kill Ileto was originally sold to the police department in Cosmopolis, Wash., by the RSR companies.

According to court records, the police department sold the weapon to a gun shop in exchange for a different model. The shop sold it to a gun collector who is alleged to have sold it to Furrow, an ex-convict prohibited from purchasing weapons, at a gun show in Spokane, Wash.

The appeal filed by China North Industries Corp. argued that the San Francisco-based 9th Circuit overstepped its authority in expanding potential liability for gun manufacturers, a role the company says should be reserved for legislatures.

In the original decision reinstating the case, Judge Richard Paez of the 9th Circuit wrote that Glock's marketing strategy creates a "supply of post-police guns that can be sold through unlicensed dealers without background checks to illegal buyers."

In urging their colleagues to rehear the case, dissenting Judge Consuelo Callahan wrote that courts should "be chary of adopting broad new theories of liability."

Congressional legislation barring lawsuits targeting the industry failed last spring.

The case is China North Industries Corp. v. Ileto, 04-423.

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...the gun Furrow used to kill Ileto was originally sold to the police department in Cosmopolis, Wash.

Well, why not just take the police department to court?

Seriously: why am I not surprised the Supreme Court didn't have the moral or intellectual stature to dismiss this parasitic case?
 
Seriously: why am I not surprised the Supreme Court didn't have the moral or intellectual stature to dismiss this parasitic case?

Probablt becasue as a matter of law it shouldnt have been dismissed


WildlightmostfavourabletotheplaintiffAlaska
 
Because they want the case to go to trial and fail on some other grounds. Or perhaps they think that a more interesting issue will come up during the trial and want to rule on that. It could be some issue regarding the chinese manufacturer or some issue regarding the police. Who knows?

The supreme court may just not have wanted to interfere in a state matter since the ruling seems to have been about some CA law regarding lawsuit immunity, in which case it wouldnt be the SCOTUSes place to rule on it. This is my bet.
 
The Supreme court gets many times more appeals that are perfectly deserving of being heard, than they have time to hear, so the fact that they refuse cert. doesn't necessarilly mean anything.

Of course, the fact that they've refused certiori on a particular subject for over 60 years, THAT could be taken to mean that they've got issues. :cuss:
 
Probablt becasue as a matter of law it shouldnt have been dismissed

Yes, it should. There isn't the slightest showing of proximate causality, in even the weakest sense.

" In other words, the "case or controversy" limitation of Art. III still requires that a federal court act only to redress injury that fairly can be traced to the challenged action of the defendant, and not injury that results from the independent action of some third party not before the court." SIMON v. EASTERN KY. WELFARE RIGHTS ORG., 426 U.S. 26 (1976)
 
In the original decision reinstating the case, Judge Richard Paez of the 9th Circuit wrote that Glock's marketing strategy creates a "supply of post-police guns that can be sold through unlicensed dealers without background checks to illegal buyers."

Makes me wonder how Glock is supposed to keep all those naughty police in line, and whether they can use the same mechanisms to control who I sell my Glock to, if I ever decided to sell it?
 
Alaska,
No, I am not just assuming. (interesting device) I have read the order of dismissal here and find the rationale unquestionably sound. The Ninth Circus is the most activist in the country, so the reinstatement does not surprise me. However, the plaintiff's claim is analagous to someone claiming GM is negligent in that it "advertised particular features of their products that appeal to purchasers with criminal intent.†because it makes the Corvette which is fast making it attractive as a getaway car, and has cupholders, making it attractive to drunk drivers. Would any court entertain such as suit? No, because it is ridiculous, just as it is with the suit against Glock.

Let's put the ball in your Court. Please explain, as a matter of law, how these plaintiff's have any standing to bring suit against Glock.
 
"Probablt becasue as a matter of law it shouldnt have been dismissed"

Well, I personally disagree. This has been tried in other areas, and those district courts have tosses out the lawsuits.

They are alleging that the firearms industry which is already federally regulated is liable for criminal acts because of their marketing practices, which are completely legal under federal law.

The criminal purchased the gun from a private individual. The legislature has refused to regulate those sales in the way in which the people bringing the lawsuit appear to believe they should be regulated.

The firearms manufacturers are barred from selling directly to individuals by federal law. They have to go through federally licensed dealers, and the federal government is responsible for the monitoring and policing of the actions of those federally licensed dealers.

For Glock to be liable there should have to be convincing evidence that they are trying to mislead the ATF who's job it is to monitor the distributors, or are trying to circumvent the laws on how they are selling weapons.

The courts have a responsibility to stop both frivolous lawsuits, and prevent people from using the courts to punish people and companies for legal actions which the legislature has consistently refused to make illegal.
 
This certainly raises more questions than it answers...

Ileto's mother, Lillian, and families of the survivors contend that Georgia-based Glock Inc., China North Industries Corp., RSR Management Corp. and RSR Wholesale Guns Seattle Inc., should be held liable under California law because they knowingly facilitated and participated in an underground illegal gun market, according to the complaint.
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In the original decision reinstating the case, Judge Richard Paez of the 9th Circuit wrote that Glock's marketing strategy creates a "supply of post-police guns that can be sold through unlicensed dealers without background checks to illegal buyers."

So Glock is passing guns onto the black market through the police??

I don't care what kind of light you shine on it, that looks funny to me. :D
 
Maybe Glock and other Firearms Manufacturers should follow Barret's lead. No guns for cops anywhere.

Seriously.
 
I don't know. If selling them to cops is viewed as passing them to the black market, I'd think that selling them to anyone other than cops would just be viewed as passing them to the black market even quicker.
 
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