SCKimberFan
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One more reason why you keep guns away from kids.
We need to be a lot smarter and more aware of those who may be around. Awareness.
We need to be a lot smarter and more aware of those who may be around. Awareness.
Another senseless tragedy
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thats great! I am certian that some one around here will scream out Negligent Discharge sooner or later. The only real negligence here is leaving a loaded gun laying around. I dont know the rules where this occured but I am certian there will be jail time for some one. Total discust is what I feel.
rbernie
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Dang, that's sad. 
I suspect that most everyone here is thinking, 'A loaded firearm is not to be left laying about uncontrolled!". And you'd be right. The adults in this story should have known better.
As a parent, I police up the area wherever my toddlers go. I betchya that mom wishes she'd done the same.
I suspect that most everyone here is thinking, 'A loaded firearm is not to be left laying about uncontrolled!". And you'd be right. The adults in this story should have known better.
As a parent, I police up the area wherever my toddlers go. I betchya that mom wishes she'd done the same.
Halo
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Not only was the gun left out, but it was loaded too. Really, how hard is it to check and clear a gun when you are finished shooting? This sort of thing should never happen, and if people would just follow the most basic rules, it wouldn't.
bogie
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We already know the reasons for safety.
Just because it has "gun" in the subject matter doesn't mean that it's discussion material.
And this is a convenient site, thanks to the diligent clip gatherers, probably to the point where the Brady folks probably don't even hire a clipping service.
Just because it has "gun" in the subject matter doesn't mean that it's discussion material.
And this is a convenient site, thanks to the diligent clip gatherers, probably to the point where the Brady folks probably don't even hire a clipping service.
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
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Antecdotes are really fun but show little.
Accidental firearm deaths are extremely low.
Accidental firearm deaths have been falling for last 10 years.
A child is substantially more likely to die from motor vehicles, suffocation, drowning, or fires than a firearm. The only reason stories like this make the news is because it is guns.
Banning pools and bathtubs would likely save 10x more children the banning guns.
The truth is "unintentional death" by firearms is very rare. There were on 788 accidental deaths by firearm in 2005 (last year stats are available). That is with about 350 million firearms in circulation.
Every year one gun out of 444,162 is involved in an accidental death.
99.99977% of firearms are handled safely.
0.00023% of firearms were involved in a accidental death.
Accidental firearm deaths are extremely low.
Accidental firearm deaths have been falling for last 10 years.
A child is substantially more likely to die from motor vehicles, suffocation, drowning, or fires than a firearm. The only reason stories like this make the news is because it is guns.
Banning pools and bathtubs would likely save 10x more children the banning guns.
The truth is "unintentional death" by firearms is very rare. There were on 788 accidental deaths by firearm in 2005 (last year stats are available). That is with about 350 million firearms in circulation.
Every year one gun out of 444,162 is involved in an accidental death.
99.99977% of firearms are handled safely.
0.00023% of firearms were involved in a accidental death.
Kids or no kids, it is just stupid to leave guns lying around (loaded or not) especially in a unsecure location like a camp. I feel sorry for the child and the child’s family. It is a senseless tragedy that didn't have to happen.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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That is absurdly negligent. Some heads need to roll there (i.e. manslaughter charges to whomever last touched the gun and left it on the chair).
longdayjake
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Having a young child, I almost cried thinking about how it must be to lose one to something so stupid. How many people are now just thinking "what if?" Not many things make me as mad as pedophiles, but sometimes pure stupidity will come close. Like in driving a car you can't really control what other people do around you, all you can do is try and drive safe. I hope this story inspires others to teach their children when young to be safe around guns. Don't always hide them from your kids and never let them handle them. Just because you can keep your guns out of their hands doesn't mean that someone else will do the same. Teach them to be safe with them and not to never touch them. My dad and I can remember when we were kids always getting into our dads' gun cabinet and touching and playing with them even though we had been told a thousand times not to go near them. Had someone taught us about them rather than to never touch them we would atleast have known that they were dangerous. Education saves a lot of grief in this world. Luck won't always be there for us.
Truly Sad.
I think it's one more reason why you don't take your eyes off your child especially when your in an unfamiliar area. Yes you don't expect a gun to just be laying around but you as a parent and for the safety of your child should ask if there are guns present and if they are safe and secured. A little safety and a little responsibility would have saved this child's life.
I think it's one more reason why you don't take your eyes off your child especially when your in an unfamiliar area. Yes you don't expect a gun to just be laying around but you as a parent and for the safety of your child should ask if there are guns present and if they are safe and secured. A little safety and a little responsibility would have saved this child's life.
I hope that the law comes down like a ton of bricks on whoever left the gun accessible to the child. There's no excuse for a tragedy like this and there needs to be examples made to strongly discourage others from doing the same thing.
damien
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[sarcasm]Don't forget 5 gallon buckets. Those are very dangerous for toddlers. Too damn dangerous to be allowed in our civil society![/sarcasm]
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bogie said:
Bogie, respectfully, I must disagree.
Gun safety comes about, in my opinion, by having it drilled into your head, by being reminded of the senseless tragedies that occur when the rules are not diligently followed.
I would FAR rather an anti nut peruse this site and deliberately take my words out of context to portray me as a raving lunatic than refuse to publicise accidents and negligence. The news reports are already out there. We can learn from them, and I'd far rather somebody here become a more responsible gun owner by being reminded of the consequences of NOT being responsible, than refuse to educate out of fear the antis will sieze on our words to turn them against us.
burningsquirrels
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complete negligence. i think negligence charges should be filed against whoever left it out.
SCKimberFan
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Arrogant Bastard said:
That was my reason for posting this in the first place. I don't think we can be reminded enough to be completely aware of what is happening around us at ALL times.
Thanks.
That was my reason for posting this in the first place. I don't think we can be reminded enough to be completely aware of what is happening around us at ALL times.
Thanks.
Beren
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Update released with more details.
http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/08/27/news/doc48b5f351deb96429791957.txt
http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/08/27/news/doc48b5f351deb96429791957.txt
Thanks Beren for the update, Some folks have posted some real common sense thinking on this others well not so much. The simple truth is there was a small amount of carelessness that lead to a great big tragety. My thought is that all have suffered and where as aditional punishment needs to be handed out maybe we should all look at ourselves. Just yesterday I went home and cought my 2 year old ratting through my work bag(usually with gun in it) But like every other day I went streight to my safe and placed my gun inside and locked it. A similar accident could have happened if I just droped my bad and went first thing to the restroom when I walked in the door. Stories like this teach me what not to do. Learn from the misteaks of others...please.
scrat
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and to think that someone wanted to sell me a pillow that could hold a gun. MMMMMMM
silentpoet
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Would a 3 year old be able to pull a double action revolver trigger? I once went shooting with my nephew who had to be at least six and he had trouble with the double action trigger on my air pistol. So it looks to me this incident is where a cocked revolver was left out, or worse.
1911Tuner
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Terrible. This is a perfect example of why anytime a gun is present within the scope of a child, the gun should either be unloaded or on the owner's belt...where he/she doesn't have to wonder whether or not the child has gained access to it.
In camp, long guns should be secured, and handguns carried. Children can find needles in haystacks, and...given enough time...can figure out how to fire just about any gun you care to name.
In camp, long guns should be secured, and handguns carried. Children can find needles in haystacks, and...given enough time...can figure out how to fire just about any gun you care to name.
TeamPrecisionIT
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So its not bad enough that they have to live with the guilt of doing this, now they need to face manslaughter charges?
Damian
Every adult that was there should be charged. This is not acceptable at all. It shows a complete lack of responsibility by everyone there, which caused the unfortunate death of a child. And I agree with whoever said that alcohol was probably involved.
True story-
A friend of mine was home "watching" his 2-yr. old son, by drinking beer and watching TV. His wife came home and said "what's your son doing". The boy had taken his car keys, opened the trunk of his '55 Chevy, got the jack out and set it up under the rear bumper, and was trying to jack up the car "just like Daddy" when Momma came home.
2-yrs. old! Never underestimate the little rascals. I get the willies thinking about the things I did with guns when I was muuuuuch younger. It's a wonder I never got killed (or put out an eye), but I did have to dig a BB out of my leg with a little screwdriver once. That was my lesson on muzzle control.
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