"Anti" Finally Admits Armed Carry By Citizens Not A Danger To The Public

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Amazing article!

An apparent "anti" finally admits that CCW Permits are NOT a danger to the public.

Please take a look at this quote:

"Kessler of Americans for Gun Safety said his group did not even bother fighting such laws.

"They are ineffective in stopping crime but they also seem to be unharmful and have not led to mass shootings the way some on the left feared," he said."

Here is a link to the article:

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=2004072013380999000

Guns lobby racks up legislative gains across U.S.

By Alan Elsner, Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The powerful U.S. gun lobby seems poised for victory in a high profile battle to end a ban on some assault weapons and experts say it has also been piling up numerous quiet victories at the state level.

A federal ban on certain military-style semi-automatic weapons enacted in 1994 is due to expire on Sept. 13. The Republican congressional leadership, backed by the National Rifle Association and other gun groups, seems determined to allow the law to lapse.

Gun control groups say only vigorous intervention by President Bush could change congressional minds. They concede that the chances of that happening weeks before the Nov. 2 presidential election are zero. Bush has said he would sign the extension of the law if it passed but has not intervened in the debate.

"The assault weapons ban has no chance of being extended unless President Bush gets forcefully behind it but Bush has apparently made a naked political calculation," said Jim Kessler of Americans for Gun Safety.

Gun owners make up an important part of Bush's political base. The NRA is enthusiastically backing him against Democrat John Kerry.

Earlier this month, Congress passed legislation which will allow retired and off-duty law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons even in states that do not permit them. Bush will sign the bill into law Thursday.

Gun proponents have worked hard for 15 years and with considerable success to win the right for Americans to carry concealed weapons.

In 1986, only eight states were obliged by law to issue citizens who requested them licenses to carry such weapons. That number has grown to 38, according to the NRA.

Ohio's law took effect in January. Last year alone, New Mexico, Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri, where legislators overrode a veto by Gov. Bob Holden, passed "right to carry" laws for applicants who pass a gun training course and a background check.

"QUIET REVOLUTION"

"We have seen the normalization of the idea that Americans may carry concealed weapons. It is a quiet revolution and it will bring about a certain culture change as we become accustomed to the idea of people in urban as well as rural areas carrying weapons around with them," said Robert Cottrol of the George Washington University law school.

Statistics suggest that the number of U.S. households owning firearms has stayed stable or may even have declined slightly in recent years. The data is somewhat uncertain since surveys have produced figures as high as 49 percent and as low as 36 percent.

The number of weapons in circulation continues to rise, reflecting the fact that guns are extremely durable and can be maintained in working order virtually indefinitely.

Some believe the spread of concealed weapons laws will have little practical effect.

"These 'right to carry' laws have swept much of the country and do have great symbolic significance for proponents and opponents but they are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing," said William Vizzard, a criminal justice professor at Cal State Sacramento, quoting Shakespeare's Macbeth.

Vizzard said the number of people applying for permits was relatively low and the number of people actually carrying weapons on a daily basis even lower.

In Arizona, which recently marked 10 years since passing its "right to carry" law, around 68,000 residents have active permits. The state population last year was 5.6 million. Some proponents now want to make it easier for applicants to get the permits by reducing the mandatory training hours.

The data suggests that neither the promises of gun groups that such laws would deter crime, nor the warnings of opponents that they would cause more gun accidents, have come to pass.

Kessler of Americans for Gun Safety said his group did not even bother fighting such laws.

"They are ineffective in stopping crime but they also seem to be unharmful and have not led to mass shootings the way some on the left feared," he said.
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Just my 2 cents...
 
Wow, great article.

"They are ineffective in stopping crime ...."
A little boy was walking along a beach which was strewn with hundreds, if not thousands, of starfish. As he walked along, he was picking up the stranded starfish and putting each one he picked up gently back into the water.

A man came walking along the beach in the opposite direction and saw what the boy was doing. "There's no point to doing that," he told the boy. "There are thousands of starfish here. You can't save them all. You can't even make any real difference."

The boy stooped to pick up another starfish. He held it up, looked the man right in the eye, and responded:

"It makes a difference to this one."

(Translation for the analogy-impaired: I don't want to stop crime-in-the-abstract with my carry gun. I just want to be able to stop one particular crime at one particular time...)

pax
 
pax, quote" I just want to be able to stop one particular crime at one particular time...)"

Amen. Let the others be responsible for their own protection.
 
That's a good step, but it's still a lie. CCW laws do reduce violent crime.
 
"We have seen the normalization of the idea that Americans may carry concealed weapons. It is a quiet revolution and it will bring about a certain culture change as we become accustomed to the idea of people in urban as well as rural areas carrying weapons around with them," said Robert Cottrol of the George Washington University law school."

.... This statement by Cottrol is significant in this regard and goes to show that things can be turned around. The normalization of all forms of shooting sports and the bearing of arms - openly or concealed - is the way to go.
 
hear2learn,

ROFL -

OMG - don't let the old dem argument stain these here proceedings...

rofl

There ARE children who die becuase firearms are available to them -

ya know what... someone starts procecuting the parents... there will be a change...

Hell! I'm a sad and sorry example.... my gf's kid will be back in the house next week - and i'm forced to find a way to hide all the guns - and yet let some remain usefull - otherwise why own a gun if you can't use it should the situation arise..?

how do you do that and still have a kid in the house =(

Pisses me off cause the lil bas... person shoudn't be here anyway - since he divoced his mom and became an adult according to Texas Law...

mom tho... gotta love those mom's and thats why we love our mothers and why they love us and why our wives are dear to our hearts... (or gf's as well) ... just pisses me off that i'm here nearly 24/7 and i LIKE having my guns loaded - but hell - how do you do that w/ an unknown rollin about the house ?!? <sigh> or even when i'm asleep - how do i KNOW he can't get ot anything - only via safe... =( which i dont' have a proper one... so we come down to that argument - when he "steal's the guns" and does something horiffic... and then everyone looks at me and says what is WRONG w/ you??!?!? why did you have those weapnos for him to be able to use??!?!

and all i can do i look at them and go - you didn't know him for the last 11 years... you didn't wonder if it would be you vs. some school scene... you didn't wonder if his uncle was commin to forcefully take him... you weren't there when you truely felt your life was in danger... and you definitely were'nt there when you yourself felt threatedned....

Tired of for the children - if only cause the children are more trainable than US...

J/Tharg!
 
my gf's kid will be back in the house next week - and i'm forced to find a way to hide all the guns
Why don't you take this opportunity to teach your gf's kid about gun safety and how to shoot. If the gf is against it, find another gf. You'll thank me later.

Edit: Nevermind--I thought the kid was much younger. As for that situation, get a safe!

Greg
 
Defeinitely get a safe. If you want a ready-to-go firearm than look into one of the small pin lock safes that hold one or two firearms.

If you can't afford a real one, a least get the sheet-metal-bolt-to-the-wall kind.

Once I bought a safe, the "piece of mind" was worth 2x or 3x what I paid for it.
 
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