MD_Willington
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You forgot - take a DNA sample from you even if you look menacing...
1984 was not supposed to be a "how to" manual - it was a warning !!
1984 was not supposed to be a "how to" manual - it was a warning !!
Anti gun article from the UK
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capt561921
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Your right, but this is the best bit about taking your DNA:-
Say for example your were arrested and during the course of the inquiry, it was found you were Innocent of all charges and have not been involved in any incident or crime, the police are still able to take a swab of your DNA and if you resist they will take by force, the sample.
Now even though you are innocent and even if they know it, they are still going to request and ultimately force the taking of that sample.
But this is the best bit - once you resist or decline to allow them to take that swab, you are then breaking another law for which the can re-arrest and forcibly restrain you.
So what democracy do we have in the UK - well just the myth of democracy to appease the brain washed public.
Say for example your were arrested and during the course of the inquiry, it was found you were Innocent of all charges and have not been involved in any incident or crime, the police are still able to take a swab of your DNA and if you resist they will take by force, the sample.
Now even though you are innocent and even if they know it, they are still going to request and ultimately force the taking of that sample.
But this is the best bit - once you resist or decline to allow them to take that swab, you are then breaking another law for which the can re-arrest and forcibly restrain you.
So what democracy do we have in the UK - well just the myth of democracy to appease the brain washed public.
We should understand that not all the Brits are passive, anti-gunners. They’ve had some gun control laws made with which many Brits strongly disagree. Doesn’t that sound a bit familiar for what has happened right here in the good ol’ U.S. of A.? Didn’t we have trouble about handguns in D.C.? Aren’t we right now pushing for a 2nd Amendment recognition by Chicago? Isn’t California still part of the United States?
Just because a person is a citizen of Europe doesn’t automatically mean anti-gun. They have elected officials who make laws which are unpopular with a large segment of the population, and in some cases against the majority of the population. Sound familiar?
Don’t trash the British. They colonized a lot of the world, perhaps wrongly but they did it. It was mainly ex-British and ex-Germans who fought in our Revolution of 1776. And England would probably have whipped our colonial butts had she not had other problems going on in Europe at the time.
Consider how a rather small island kingdom took on the world and won. Stood toe to toe with Napoleon and ate his lunch and sent him home crying to Mama when they whipped him at Waterloo.
Stood alone against Hitler for many months during the Battle of Britain.
When the chips are down the British can be one mean tough bunch. Now if they would just get them a good British Rifle Association, do they have one?
Just because a person is a citizen of Europe doesn’t automatically mean anti-gun. They have elected officials who make laws which are unpopular with a large segment of the population, and in some cases against the majority of the population. Sound familiar?
Don’t trash the British. They colonized a lot of the world, perhaps wrongly but they did it. It was mainly ex-British and ex-Germans who fought in our Revolution of 1776. And England would probably have whipped our colonial butts had she not had other problems going on in Europe at the time.
Consider how a rather small island kingdom took on the world and won. Stood toe to toe with Napoleon and ate his lunch and sent him home crying to Mama when they whipped him at Waterloo.
Stood alone against Hitler for many months during the Battle of Britain.
When the chips are down the British can be one mean tough bunch. Now if they would just get them a good British Rifle Association, do they have one?
Calibre44
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Wow!! … some pro British sentiments on the THR – I’m shocked! What a refreshing change from the usual crap thrown our way.
Thank you for your comments ClayInTX . Here is a link to out NRA. One of many organisations over here that support shooting. Click here
Cosmoline
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Not only are you forbidden from carrying arms, you'll get five years in prison for turning one into the police.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575452,00.html
So if you were in the UK and managed to disarm a criminal trying to mug you, YOU would face at least as much prison time as HE would. Maybe more, since he won't be in possession of the weapon and his crime will be a low-level infraction by UK standards.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575452,00.html
So if you were in the UK and managed to disarm a criminal trying to mug you, YOU would face at least as much prison time as HE would. Maybe more, since he won't be in possession of the weapon and his crime will be a low-level infraction by UK standards.
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sterling180
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Now,thats just stupid.But in saying this,the police advise anyone who finds an unattended firearm,which isn't their own,to inform them&the armed-response unit,will arrive to dispose of it&take a statement,about it.I know that man was trying to be helpful,but the bureaucrats aren't intersted,as laws&policies are laws&policies.
I hope he was wearing gloves,so that the fingerprints on the shotgun,weren't his.
That way,he can at least escape from some of these charges-I hope.12131
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Really? That's news to me.
I did not finish the article. I stopped where it said
I have studied logic. One of the first things you learn in logic is to define your terms!
What is a
(From my dictionary built in to my OS )
According to this article:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2135066
The number of one parent and one person households has increased significantly over the years. Much more so than the traditional two parent or two person household. And that only accounts for up to the year 1983. ( Sorry, I can't cut and paste from that article. )
The reason the percent of households that have guns in the home has decreased isn't because of a decrease in overall gun ownership or percent of people that own guns but due to the change in makeup of households. Single parent or single person households where the only adult is a female is less likely to own a firearm than a single parent or single person household where the adult is a male. ( sorry, I can't find anything to cite to prove that on short notice but I am sure I am correct. )
Given the dramatic rise reported in firearm sales and CCW permits it appears that a larger percentage of Americans now own firearms than in the recent past. At least to me it appears so.
I have studied logic. One of the first things you learn in logic is to define your terms!
What is a
? A household is
(From my dictionary built in to my OS )
According to this article:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2135066
The number of one parent and one person households has increased significantly over the years. Much more so than the traditional two parent or two person household. And that only accounts for up to the year 1983. ( Sorry, I can't cut and paste from that article. )
The reason the percent of households that have guns in the home has decreased isn't because of a decrease in overall gun ownership or percent of people that own guns but due to the change in makeup of households. Single parent or single person households where the only adult is a female is less likely to own a firearm than a single parent or single person household where the adult is a male. ( sorry, I can't find anything to cite to prove that on short notice but I am sure I am correct. )
Given the dramatic rise reported in firearm sales and CCW permits it appears that a larger percentage of Americans now own firearms than in the recent past. At least to me it appears so.
The writer of this article is like an Amish person who has never seen a car in real life and knows nothing about them and what they're used for. But almost daily in their newspaper they're reading about how there was a 5 car pile up on the Interstate in CA and x number of people were killed, or how a pedistrian was killed in a hit and run by a drunk driver last night.
That's an unfair comparison though, since I haven't seen or heard of any Amish groups out there that are dedicated to taking away everyone's rights.
That's an unfair comparison though, since I haven't seen or heard of any Amish groups out there that are dedicated to taking away everyone's rights.
Hatterasguy
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This is a perfect example of why we kicked them out of the country.
Seriously though, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The current UK is trying to outlaw knives so people can't stab eachother. Frankly I think its sad how a people who once ruled a quarter of the world have changed.
*** is all I have to say about that.
Seriously though, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The current UK is trying to outlaw knives so people can't stab eachother.
Frankly I think its sad how a people who once ruled a quarter of the world have changed.
*** is all I have to say about that.
svaz
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As I was reading through the thread, not paying attention to the names (as is my custom), I ran across one guy's comments and I thought, "I like the way this guys thinks. That's just what I would have said."
Turns out, I did say it. Back in Nov.
Turns out, I did say it. Back in Nov.
benEzra
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The Guardian can have their ignorance, bigotry, and make-believe; they have the Surveillance Nation they've always wanted. I'll enjoy my freedom, thanks.
And +1 to those pointing out that not all Brits are sheep. I work with a couple of British expats, and both are married to former U.S. Marines and have guns in the home.
No, I would really like to move to the United States, I heard it is a great country to live in. Seems like most gun owners are so outnumbered here or the ones that fought for gun rights have just given up.
There are gun owners here, but mostly in the central valley. Unfortunately, the mountain ranges surrounding the valley hasn't kept people from the coast from integrating with our society.
benEzra
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Yep, unfortunately it's real. And the authorities actually think that is a reassuring concept, rather than the obsessively controlling Orwellian threat most of us here consider it to be. The irony is, Orwell, who warned about this type of crap, was British.
FirearmsEnthusiast
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We should go over there and show them what gun rights is all about. They'll be begging for their guns back
FirearmsEnthusiast
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This is a perfect example of why we kicked them out of the country.
Seriously though, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The current UK is trying to outlaw knives so people can't stab eachother.
*** is all I have to say about that.
They'll probably start banning knives that don't have tips like that
sterling180
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I think the press should mind their own business...I think,especially the UK press.
sterling180
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Even MPs(Members of Parliament) cannot shoot pistols(As they are classed as 'civillians
and now they want to destroy parliaments shooting range..I hate these do-gooders,I really do.What is this country coming too?sterling180
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Kalashnikov councillor suspended
Councillor Hanif apologised and said he regretted what had happened
An SNP councillor in Glasgow has been suspended over allegations that he fired a Kalashnikov assault rifle while visiting Pakistan.
The incident was said to have taken place during a family holiday in 2005.
A party spokesman said there was no suggestion that Jahangir Hanif had broken the law but it appeared to be "foolish and inappropriate conduct".
Councillor Hanif said the incident took place before he was elected. He will now face a disciplinary hearing.
A statement from Councillor Hanif, who is presently in Pakistan, said: "I regret that this happened and apologise - it was foolish and inappropriate.
"It took place over two-and-a-half years ago, long before I became a councillor.
"I accept the actions of the party, and will wish to take part in the formal hearing on my return to Scotland."
Disciplinary hearing
An SNP spokesperson said: "Councillor Hanif is currently in Pakistan, and has not had the opportunity to put his side of the story.
"On the face of it he has not broken the law, and there is no suggestion of any involvement in anything untoward. Nevertheless, this was very foolish and inappropriate conduct.
"He is well aware of the SNP's strong views against firearms, particularly involving children.
"Councillor Hanif has this afternoon been suspended from the party, and therefore the council group, pending a disciplinary hearing where he will have the opportunity to explain himself and this incident from 2005."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7548023.stm
It seems to me that the Scottish National Party,is in full swing,with its anti-gun agendas.What a person does in a foreign country(& it can apply to Northern Ireland toois their business.He didn't kill anyone,but he might of killed Alec Salmons popularity,with the anti-gunner nationalists,of Scotland.
Any Scottish citizen should never vote SNP,as Independence,nationalism,etc,comes at a price.Vote for either Labour,Tories,or Lib-Dems,instead and thats saying something.
These anti-polititions are worse than the scaremongering,socialistic Labour Party,in power.john Prescott& another politition,were test-firing M4 Carbines&the Diemaco models,(which are used by British SFsin Afghanistan,on a visit.Shooting off lots of rounds.Were they criminals to do this?,as well as fire off,some captured AKMs&74s captured from dead Taliban soldiers&pows? Go to hell you idiots.
Councillor Hanif apologised and said he regretted what had happened
An SNP councillor in Glasgow has been suspended over allegations that he fired a Kalashnikov assault rifle while visiting Pakistan.
The incident was said to have taken place during a family holiday in 2005.
A party spokesman said there was no suggestion that Jahangir Hanif had broken the law but it appeared to be "foolish and inappropriate conduct".
Councillor Hanif said the incident took place before he was elected. He will now face a disciplinary hearing.
A statement from Councillor Hanif, who is presently in Pakistan, said: "I regret that this happened and apologise - it was foolish and inappropriate.
"It took place over two-and-a-half years ago, long before I became a councillor.
"I accept the actions of the party, and will wish to take part in the formal hearing on my return to Scotland."
Disciplinary hearing
An SNP spokesperson said: "Councillor Hanif is currently in Pakistan, and has not had the opportunity to put his side of the story.
"On the face of it he has not broken the law, and there is no suggestion of any involvement in anything untoward. Nevertheless, this was very foolish and inappropriate conduct.
"He is well aware of the SNP's strong views against firearms, particularly involving children.
"Councillor Hanif has this afternoon been suspended from the party, and therefore the council group, pending a disciplinary hearing where he will have the opportunity to explain himself and this incident from 2005."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7548023.stm
It seems to me that the Scottish National Party,is in full swing,with its anti-gun agendas.What a person does in a foreign country(& it can apply to Northern Ireland too
is their business.He didn't kill anyone,but he might of killed Alec Salmons popularity,with the anti-gunner nationalists,of Scotland.Any Scottish citizen should never vote SNP,as Independence,nationalism,etc,comes at a price.Vote for either Labour,Tories,or Lib-Dems,instead and thats saying something.
These anti-polititions are worse than the scaremongering,socialistic Labour Party,in power.john Prescott& another politition,were test-firing M4 Carbines&the Diemaco models,(which are used by British SFs
in Afghanistan,on a visit.Shooting off lots of rounds.Were they criminals to do this?,as well as fire off,some captured AKMs&74s captured from dead Taliban soldiers&pows? Go to hell you idiots.Guess they're afraid someone might actually handle and shoot a real assault rifle and actually learn something about firearms. Can't have that, too risky. If more people learned about firearms, and even worse had experience with them, support for their anti-gun position might wane.
sonick808
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oh no, educating children and removing the mystique of guns, what a horrible idea!
outerlimit
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Gun ownership is falling in the U.S.? Now that's laugh out loud hilarity!
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