Anti-RTKBA Father-In-Law Hates Guns

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BushMaster, There is no need to vote F.I.L.a pass on this or any other site. He was given that pass when he became a citizen. Born here or naturalized! Our founding fathers & the men &women who served gave it to him. Just like everyone who loves or hates guns! They get the right or pass along with us all! I knew a vet named Dessmond Doss who would not touch a gun! One night while on Okinawa as he saved 75men with Japanese soldiers looking for him ( He was a medic. ) as he crawled around by himself. He was a C.O. &refused to carry at all! He won a P.H.& a M.O.H. that night! He don't need a pass from anyone! Thats what being a citizen of this Grand Republic means! If we don't give others a pass ( or right )we will not get one eather!
 
Guns and guin rights seem to be ones that many like to influence with their "opinions". He has every right to his opinion, just don't force it upon me. He fought for the right that all could have, and voice opinions, not totalitarianism.
 
+1. And generally people who suffer from claustrophobia don't try to legislate away caves.
Well there goes our caves. They probably hadn't thought about that but now they have.
We can't have nothing....


kenken
 
He earned it & you know what they say, opinions are like well you know........& they all stink.
 
I am a 27-year veteran. I was never wounded by enemy action, nor did I ever provide direct lifesaving aid to someone who was wounded. I was decorated for my professional acumen, not my bravery.

Yet my vote counts as much as that of a man who wears the Purple and the Bronze Star, or that of a man who wears the Medal of Honor. His opinion is exactly as valid as mine. We took the same oath.

The RKBA is part of the Constitution, which all military members swear an oath to support and defend. However, there is no stipulation that a member must testify to agreement with every word of the document. None are asked to disclose what specific parts of the document they personally love or loathe. They pledge loyalty to all of it.

It's a lot getting married, vowing to love, honor, etc. that other person, but not promising to like the color she chooses for the dining room walls or the way he leaves his boots by the doorway. We pledge love and support, not complete agreement.

Giving any person a pass on his or her desire to strip away our RKBA is the same as giving a pass on a person's desire to strip away any other Constitutionally protected right. How many of us grant a pass on censorship, or unwarranted invasions of privacy? (Well, that too is changing.)

The drafters and ratifiers of the Constitution knew there would be challenges to the specifics of the document as technology and culture evolved, and they provided a mechanism for those evolutions to be expressed: the Amendment process. It works; we have used it 27 times.

The RKBA (save in cases of suspension by due process, which is another hotly debated issue and not relevant here) is and must be a protected right until such time as it is stricken or modified by Amendment. No individual, no legislature, no court has legitimate power to change that. No other process is valid. That is why the oath is so vitally important and why it doesn't include a vow to support and defend case law, legal precedent, or bench legislation.

Every person may choose not to own a gun and to argue adamantly against the RKBA; the Constitution codifies that. I support a person's right to whatever the document says he can do.

However, I grant no pass to anyone who seeks to nullify my rights or invalidate any part of the Constitution. I do support the amendment process; let those who seek to curtail the RKBA use that process and only that process to achieve their aim. If their long-held position were that of most people and most legislatures, then drafting, passing, and ratifying an anti-RKBA Amendment would have already happened. It has not.
 
My Father In Law has been an anti for as long as I've known him, going on 13 years. He was Air Force for 20 years.

It used to bother me, but he knew where I stood and I thought I knew where he stood.....until he says last weekend he wants to buy a Glock!
 
He can dislike guns all he wants, but does he actively seek to impose his dislike on others by supporting restrictions and regulations?

If so, he doesn't get even a hint of a "pass", no matter what he may have done.
 
I think it's kind of interesting that people are giving him a "pass". Not one of us has any authority to ok his opinion, just the ability to represent a conflicting vote.

You're probaly in a tougher spot because he's a member of the family and he may or may not make his opinion known.

I have a ton of respect for him and what he and other vets are done. I know one thing for sure, he's not waiting for any one of us to give him a pass and the opposite is true as well. I'm not sure how well or how long you've known him, but I'm guessing there is a very interesting conversation to be had at some point in time between the two of you.
 
HarcyPervin said:
I think it's kind of interesting that people are giving him a "pass". Not one of us has any authority to ok his opinion, just the ability to represent a conflicting vote.

While this is certainly true, the point I tried to make is that we have to limit the way we seek to limit the rights of others to the Constitutional method. Anyone can have an opinion on RKBA, but as long as 2A is in the document, it's the overriding law of the land.

I respect everyone's personal decision regarding gun ownership, but I expect everyone to respect mine also.
 
Being in a war does not give someone absolute moral authority on guns or any subject. He has a different perspective on weapons albeit an incorrect one. Saying he's incorrect on the 2a does not invalidate his service.

I don't have to be a soldier to realize the ultimate potential of a weapon in action, but similarly, I don't need to be a priest to realize that inanimate objects have no moral properties.

As an agent of free will you realize that it is the individual who is responsible for their actions, not the object.
 
Love,hate and service

I served in the western Pacific during two wars.

I don't know that that gives me a more credible opinion than one who didn't.

I believe every law-abiding citizen should be armed at all times.

I took the course and earned the right to carry everywhere, so I do.

But Lord the responsibility scares me.
 
Whether they served or not,
whether they saw combat or not,
whether they support the second amendment or not,
whether they are a namby pamby liberal or the toughest all American bullet headed Saxon mother's son who ever drew breath,
everyone is entitled to their opinion on the second amendment.

However, everyone ELSE is entitled to judge that opinion as harshly as they wish on its' MERITS. NONE of the factors mentioned make an anti-2nd amendment opinion any more (or less) respectable in the light of history and the constitution.

The ad hominem fallacy cuts both ways.
 
Everyone has private likes and dislikes, it's when they try to make them public by law that things can get sticky.
 
Just because he's a vet doesn't give him the right to take away my rights. He isn't any better than me or you. He doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything.

sorry to be harsh, just my opinion.
 
Give him a pass? What does that mean? What are we supposed to say?

I have a feeling I know why you "give him a pass", and I'll bet she's pretty, too, lol. :D
 
Bushmaster, I don't owe him anything. Shooting at conscript soldiers and innocent koreans has done nothing to protect my freedom. If you disagree with me, just look at what the end result of the war was. Were the Koreans storming my beaches and threatening to take away my rights? No. Plain and simple. Even if he did participate in something constructive to aid my freedom, it gives him no right to take a stand that threatens my individual rights. Even if he does have some medals to pin on his chest while he's talking about taking away MY rights.
 
I have very little patience for people who say the 2nd Amendment does not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms.

But in my FIL's case, I figure he has a principled reason for his position and "I give him a pass". It's only fair, considering he fought for my freedom and I took his daughter.
 
He has the right to believe what he wants. If he believes we don't need firarms, that is his opinion. I don't dislike people or think they are wrong for their opinions. I just stick to mine and let them live their lives and me live mine. He does have a right to take a stand against guns, that is a freedom that as an american we all have. It is the same as the right to stand for them. It is freedom, everyone does not want the same things. While I might not agree with it, it is the choice that makes this a free nation.
 
I respect anybodies right to have their set of beliefs, the line that should be for everyone in my opinion though is personal freedom for all to the point it doesn't step on someone else's. Unfortunately in many topics many people are fine with regulating others when they don't agree.

My dad put in 22 years, Korea and Vietnam included. We didn't or don't always agree on everything but it should never come between family.

I respect anybody who has done military time because they served in their way but I 'd like to point out there are those that never wore a uniform who uphold liberty and have a sense of duty also that have contributed to continuing that the U.S.A remains with individual rights and as a nation for the people and by the people.:)
 
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