Anti-terrorist Surveillance Legislation
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GarandOwner
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Unfortunatly that is how freedom dies, one small compromise at a time
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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I'm going to be getting ready pretty soon, if you understand my meaning.
Jorg Nysgerrig
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No, no you aren't. Just stop.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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I'll stop when I'm good and ready. Thanks.
Calm down, everyone. Unless you are a methamphetamine addict, an Al-Queda member, a child sex predator, or some similar ilk, you have nothing to worry about. Chill out, people. I don't know why you are so concerned about this issue, yet allow the liberals in your states and country to pass unbelievably indecent laws which protect the predators of our society.
We have a Supreme Court that believes that a violent child-rapist should not be eligible for the death penalty. Where is your outrage there? There are many other such issues that the so-called Supreme Court has decided which are unGodly and unrighteous, and make a mockery of decency.
If you want to raise hell, why not raise it about something worthwhile, like protecting children from sexual predators? We have sexual perverts on the Supreme Court, and no one says a word. Shame on America.
We have a Supreme Court that believes that a violent child-rapist should not be eligible for the death penalty. Where is your outrage there? There are many other such issues that the so-called Supreme Court has decided which are unGodly and unrighteous, and make a mockery of decency.
If you want to raise hell, why not raise it about something worthwhile, like protecting children from sexual predators? We have sexual perverts on the Supreme Court, and no one says a word. Shame on America.
bogie
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Bubba, I suspect that my father, a WWII veteran, remembers when people actually WORRIED about spies and such sending communications overseas to the enemy.
Today, it's profiling... Sigh...
Listen to 'em? Hell, I wanna kill 'em.
Today, it's profiling... Sigh...
Listen to 'em? Hell, I wanna kill 'em.
You guys are seriously sugar coating this.
All over seas calls are intercepted and parsed for keywords and context searches, without warrents. Its common knowledge, read some the NSA's patents.
I'd wager that all domestic calls are as well. I have worked at a major cellular equipment manufacturer, on our orientation tour they pointed to a particular room where "the feds plug in" to tap. It was common knowledge and common practice, and we're talking back in 2000. I shudder to think how brazen they are now.
The 4th amendment is at best a dirty tampon.
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All over seas calls are intercepted and parsed for keywords and context searches, without warrents. Its common knowledge, read some the NSA's patents.
I'd wager that all domestic calls are as well. I have worked at a major cellular equipment manufacturer, on our orientation tour they pointed to a particular room where "the feds plug in" to tap. It was common knowledge and common practice, and we're talking back in 2000. I shudder to think how brazen they are now.
The 4th amendment is at best a dirty tampon.
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glockman19
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I just got an e-mail from the ACLU that they will file as a viloation of 4th Amendment as soon as it is signed.
Isn't is clear that "Our Security, Our Safety" is always the reason for denying our rights.
BTW Obama voted for it and flip-flopped. many of his fellow Democrats are not happy with his vote.
Isn't is clear that "Our Security, Our Safety" is always the reason for denying our rights.
BTW Obama voted for it and flip-flopped. many of his fellow Democrats are not happy with his vote.
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They SAY they're only looking for terrorists... but can you honestly trust our government THAT much? I cannot, and will not, but then, I just consider myself a proud American.
Lurp
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The same arguement can be used for unjustified searches of houses, cars property, etc... if your not doing anything wrong then you should have nothing to worry about. Just because I should have nothing to worry about at this time considering that I am a law abiding citizen it doesn't mean that in the future they wont extend that list. It's the same with gun rights, they slowly chip away until before you know it you in over your head. First it's wire tapping foreign calls, then its domestic calls, etc... it's a slippery slope my friend.
You guys are over-reacting. If you would only think this thing through, you would realize that the NSA has probably been tapping phone conversations for decades, and that the real "straw-man" argument is that it hasn't been going on. The reality is that we have been protected from terrorist attacks, due to the vigilance of some patriots.
Lurp
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If it's been going on for years, then you've already proved our point that the gov't has already out stepped their bounds considering theirs no law allowing it. If the gov't has been breaking the law for years already why should I believe that they are up to any good with the current legislation?
What you call "protected" from terrorist attacks I call the slow deterioration of our rights and freedoms.
What you call "protected" from terrorist attacks I call the slow deterioration of our rights and freedoms.
Yeah, right. Even if you think you don’t have anything to hide now… they will make it so that you do have something to hide.
If it’s about protection, why haven’t the borders been secured, 8 years after 9/11?
This is just another power grab.
Like that charming Richard Nixon, protecting America from those dirty hippies, godless liberals, and immoral communists.
Even though his time has passed, I am sure that there are many more upstanding man of comperable character in the government today, protecting, watching over, and listening to us all.
SDC
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"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." - Ben Franklin
Pity it took 21 posts before someone remembered that this is a firearms forum.
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